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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com>
Cc: "BALATON Zoltan" <balaton@eik.bme.hu>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Dmitry Fleytman" <dmitry.fleytman@gmail.com>,
	"Sriram Yagnaraman" <sriram.yagnaraman@ericsson.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Luigi Rizzo" <rizzo@iet.unipi.it>,
	"Giuseppe Lettieri" <g.lettieri@iet.unipi.it>,
	"Vincenzo Maffione" <v.maffione@gmail.com>,
	"Andrew Melnychenko" <andrew@daynix.com>,
	"Yuri Benditovich" <yuri.benditovich@daynix.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	"Michael Roth" <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Yanan Wang" <wangyanan55@huawei.com>,
	"Zhao Liu" <zhao1.liu@intel.com>, "Lei Yang" <leiyang@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/4] qdev-properties: Accept bool for OnOffAuto
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2025 13:31:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878qqihr64.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <79fea08e-21d0-46ba-923d-8892eef3ce8e@daynix.com> (Akihiko Odaki's message of "Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:59:34 +0900")

Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com> writes:

[...]

> Let me go back to the discussion of the bool/OnOffAuto problem below:
>
> The values the command line syntax accepts are on/yes/true/y and off/no/false/n.
>
> For the command line syntax, you can always use on/off whether the type is bool or OnOffAuto. In my opinion, it is still not good to reject yes/true/y and no/false/n for OnOffAuto; why do we suddenly reject them when the property gets the "auto" value? As you pointed out, the usage of enum is our internal concern and should not bother users.

The command line is a different mess.

For better or worse (worse if you ask me), we added code to accept
additional syntax for bool values.

Doing the same for enums that happen to have some values that look
boolean at a glance is in my opinion a terrible idea.  We have at least
two: OnOffAuto and OnOffSplit.

But let's get back to QMP.

> The situation is worse for JSON as there is no common literals that are compatible with both of bool and OnOffAuto, which forces users to remember the type.

JSON is primarily for machines, and machines are very good at
remembering the type.

An argument can be made that OnOffAuto is problematic interface design.
In fact, I made it; see "managed to maneuver ourselves into a bit of a
corner" upthread.

> So I think this patch makes sense in terms of usability. Accepting multiple representations for one value is ugly, but it is better than exposing the ugliness to users. We should deprecate the representations except one if we really hate the ugliness.

I believe churn & complexity outweigh the benefits.



  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-07 12:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-08  6:17 [PATCH v4 0/4] virtio: Convert feature properties to OnOffAuto Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-08  6:17 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] qapi: Do not consume a value if failed Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-08  6:17 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] qdev-properties: Accept bool for OnOffAuto Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-10 11:09   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-01-10 11:31     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-10 12:16       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-01-10 12:32         ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-02-06  9:43     ` Markus Armbruster
2025-02-05 15:29   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-02-06  6:01     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-02-06  9:48       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-02-06 10:16         ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-02-06 13:23           ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-02-07  5:59             ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-02-07 12:31               ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2025-02-07 12:46                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-05-05  6:42                   ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-02-07 12:15             ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-06 15:37           ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-06 16:25             ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-05-08  7:09             ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-08  6:17 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] qdev-properties: Add DEFINE_PROP_ON_OFF_AUTO_BIT64() Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-08  6:17 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] virtio: Convert feature properties to OnOffAuto Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-09 10:06   ` Lei Yang
2025-01-09 10:56   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-01-09 11:08     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-09 11:13       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-01-10 11:23   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-01-10 11:39     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-09 12:53 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] " Markus Armbruster
2025-01-10  4:42   ` Akihiko Odaki

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