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From: Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>
To: Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com>, Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linaro.org>
Cc: Peter Chen <hzpeterchen@gmail.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	"r.baldyga@samsung.com" <r.baldyga@samsung.com>,
	Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Charles Keepax <ckeepax@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	"patches@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com"
	<patches@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
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	<device-mainlining@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 14:24:41 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878u10jjie.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR04MB1665E85D823D5AB59B54B56D89980@AM4PR04MB1665.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>

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Hi,

Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com> writes:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Baolin Wang [mailto:baolin.wang@linaro.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 5:31 PM
>> To: Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com>
>> Cc: Peter Chen <hzpeterchen@gmail.com>; Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>;
>> Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>; Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>;
>> Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>; David Woodhouse
>> <dwmw2@infradead.org>; Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com>; Alan Stern
>> <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>; r.baldyga@samsung.com; Yoshihiro Shimoda
>> <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>; Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>; Mark
>> Brown <broonie@kernel.org>; Charles Keepax
>> <ckeepax@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>; patches@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com;
>> Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>; USB <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>;
>> device-mainlining@lists.linuxfoundation.org; LKML <linux-
>> kernel@vger.kernel.org>
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with
>> the usb gadget power negotation
>> 
>> On 30 March 2016 at 16:07, Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com> wrote:
>> > Hi
>> 
>> >> On 30 March 2016 at 10:54, Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> It is not for udc driver but for power users who want to
>> >> >> >> negotiate with USB subsystem.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Seems you don't want to guarantee charger type detection is done
>> >> >> > before gadget connection(pullup DP), right?
>> >> >> > I see you call usb_charger_detect_type() in each gadget usb
>> >> >> > state
>> >> >> changes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am not sure I get your point correctly, please correct me if I
>> >> >> misunderstand you.
>> >> >> We need to check the charger type at every event comes from the
>> >> >> usb gadget state changes or the extcon device state changes, which
>> >> >> means a new charger plugin or pullup.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > According to usb charger spec, my understanding is you can't do
>> >> > real charger detection procedure *after* gadget _connection_(pullup
>> >> > DP), also I don't
>> >>
>> >> Why can not? Charger detection is usually from PMIC.
>> >
>> > Charger detection process will impact DP/DM line state, see usb
>> > charger spec v1.2 for detail detection process, section 4.6.3 says:
>> >
>> > "A PD is allowed to *disconnect* and repeat the charger detection
>> > process multiple times while attached. The PD is required to wait for
>> > a time of at least TCP_VDM_EN max between disconnecting and restarting
>> > the charger detection process."
>> >
>> > As Peter mentioned, the charger detection should happen between VBUS
>> > detection and gadget pull up DP for first plug in case. So when&after
>> > gadget connect (pullup DP), you should already know the charger type.
>> 
>> Make sense. In our company's solution, charger detection can be done by
>> hardware from PMIC at first, then it will not affect the DP/DM line when
>> gadget starts to enumeration. 
>
> I see, charger type detection is done automatically by PMIC when VBUS
> is detected in your case, you just assume the process is complete

assuming this finishes before gadget starts is a bad idea. It would've
been much more robust to delay usb_gadget_connect() until we KNOW
charger detection has completed.

-- 
balbi

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From: Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>
To: Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com>, Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linaro.org>
Cc: Peter Chen <hzpeterchen@gmail.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	"r.baldyga\@samsung.com" <r.baldyga@samsung.com>,
	Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Charles Keepax <ckeepax@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	"patches\@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com" 
	<patches@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	USB <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	"device-mainlining\@lists.linuxfoundation.org" 
	<device-mainlining@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 14:24:41 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878u10jjie.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR04MB1665E85D823D5AB59B54B56D89980@AM4PR04MB1665.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>

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Hi,

Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com> writes:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Baolin Wang [mailto:baolin.wang@linaro.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 5:31 PM
>> To: Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com>
>> Cc: Peter Chen <hzpeterchen@gmail.com>; Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>;
>> Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>; Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>;
>> Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>; David Woodhouse
>> <dwmw2@infradead.org>; Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com>; Alan Stern
>> <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>; r.baldyga@samsung.com; Yoshihiro Shimoda
>> <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>; Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>; Mark
>> Brown <broonie@kernel.org>; Charles Keepax
>> <ckeepax@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>; patches@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com;
>> Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>; USB <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>;
>> device-mainlining@lists.linuxfoundation.org; LKML <linux-
>> kernel@vger.kernel.org>
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with
>> the usb gadget power negotation
>> 
>> On 30 March 2016 at 16:07, Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com> wrote:
>> > Hi
>> 
>> >> On 30 March 2016 at 10:54, Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> It is not for udc driver but for power users who want to
>> >> >> >> negotiate with USB subsystem.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Seems you don't want to guarantee charger type detection is done
>> >> >> > before gadget connection(pullup DP), right?
>> >> >> > I see you call usb_charger_detect_type() in each gadget usb
>> >> >> > state
>> >> >> changes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am not sure I get your point correctly, please correct me if I
>> >> >> misunderstand you.
>> >> >> We need to check the charger type at every event comes from the
>> >> >> usb gadget state changes or the extcon device state changes, which
>> >> >> means a new charger plugin or pullup.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > According to usb charger spec, my understanding is you can't do
>> >> > real charger detection procedure *after* gadget _connection_(pullup
>> >> > DP), also I don't
>> >>
>> >> Why can not? Charger detection is usually from PMIC.
>> >
>> > Charger detection process will impact DP/DM line state, see usb
>> > charger spec v1.2 for detail detection process, section 4.6.3 says:
>> >
>> > "A PD is allowed to *disconnect* and repeat the charger detection
>> > process multiple times while attached. The PD is required to wait for
>> > a time of at least TCP_VDM_EN max between disconnecting and restarting
>> > the charger detection process."
>> >
>> > As Peter mentioned, the charger detection should happen between VBUS
>> > detection and gadget pull up DP for first plug in case. So when&after
>> > gadget connect (pullup DP), you should already know the charger type.
>> 
>> Make sense. In our company's solution, charger detection can be done by
>> hardware from PMIC at first, then it will not affect the DP/DM line when
>> gadget starts to enumeration. 
>
> I see, charger type detection is done automatically by PMIC when VBUS
> is detected in your case, you just assume the process is complete

assuming this finishes before gadget starts is a bad idea. It would've
been much more robust to delay usb_gadget_connect() until we KNOW
charger detection has completed.

-- 
balbi

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-30 11:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-24 12:35 [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation Baolin Wang
2016-03-24 12:35 ` [PATCH v8 1/4] gadget: Introduce the usb charger framework Baolin Wang
2016-04-23 19:53   ` Pavel Machek
2016-04-24  5:32     ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-24 12:35 ` [PATCH v8 3/4] gadget: Integrate with the usb gadget supporting for usb charger Baolin Wang
2016-03-24 12:35 ` [PATCH v8 4/4] power: wm831x_power: Support USB charger current limit management Baolin Wang
2016-03-27  2:08   ` kbuild test robot
2016-03-27  2:08     ` kbuild test robot
2016-03-27  8:22   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-03-28  6:45     ` Baolin Wang
     [not found] ` <cover.1458822334.git.baolin.wang-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-24 12:35   ` [PATCH v8 2/4] gadget: Support for the usb charger framework Baolin Wang
2016-03-24 12:35     ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-27  1:29     ` kbuild test robot
2016-03-27  1:29       ` kbuild test robot
2016-03-25  7:09   ` [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation Peter Chen
2016-03-25  7:09     ` Peter Chen
2016-03-28  6:51     ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-28  7:13       ` Peter Chen
2016-03-28  9:09         ` Baolin Wang
     [not found]           ` <CAMz4kuK33mfiO9OttbRF9yVbQE1DFeuOtwyUWkCa5iPYbE-H8g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-29  0:32             ` Peter Chen
2016-03-29  0:32               ` Peter Chen
2016-03-29  2:05               ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-29 17:14                 ` Mark Brown
2016-03-29 17:23         ` Mark Brown
2016-03-30  2:05           ` Peter Chen
2016-03-30  7:07             ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-30  7:07               ` Baolin Wang
     [not found]               ` <CAMz4kuKkSt0xj_1jGC9d_yVpEX0krBB_M6x1C3ZR9bDGabQeLQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-30  7:42                 ` Peter Chen
2016-03-30  7:42                   ` Peter Chen
2016-03-30  8:40                   ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-30  9:19                     ` Peter Chen
2016-03-30  9:32                       ` Baolin Wang
     [not found]       ` <CAMz4kuJYBg4eortA35Dhr4-jPVhLzu9XhjpOcu0hDWq6FV09mw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-29  8:45         ` Jun Li
2016-03-29  8:45           ` Jun Li
2016-03-29  9:48           ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-30  2:54             ` Jun Li
2016-03-30  6:15               ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-30  8:07                 ` Jun Li
2016-03-30  8:07                   ` Jun Li
2016-03-30  9:30                   ` Baolin Wang
     [not found]                     ` <CAMz4kuLY8vO5qnkuY+kv91zKpdxBBSDeLZXFvD1LjnS3R3UccA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-30 10:58                       ` Jun Li
2016-03-30 10:58                         ` Jun Li
2016-03-30 11:24                         ` Felipe Balbi [this message]
2016-03-30 11:24                           ` Felipe Balbi
2016-03-31  5:33                           ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-31  6:18                             ` Felipe Balbi
2016-03-31  6:18                               ` Felipe Balbi
     [not found]                               ` <87y48zgogi.fsf-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-31  6:35                                 ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-31  6:35                                   ` Baolin Wang
     [not found]                         ` <AM4PR04MB1665E85D823D5AB59B54B56D89980-WOempg8NbQQyfSGIpie7pc9NdZoXdze2vxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-31  5:22                           ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-31  5:22                             ` Baolin Wang
     [not found]                             ` <CAMz4kuLxfEr_cOa0F-Qh+Mo+dEVGWx+YPZ_=yb9FVwWdJd8viQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-31  6:12                               ` Jun Li
2016-03-31  6:12                                 ` Jun Li
2016-03-31  6:37                                 ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-31  8:15                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2016-03-31  8:15                                     ` Felipe Balbi
     [not found]                                     ` <87egargj1y.fsf-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-31  8:24                                       ` Baolin Wang
2016-03-31  8:24                                         ` Baolin Wang

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