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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Eric Paris <eparis-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
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	sgrubb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Part1 PATCH 00/22] Add namespace support for audit
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:03:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a9mlu82y.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1371675095.16587.5.camel-97fqgl+48DwtHMky1e46ABcY2uh10dtjAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> (Eric Paris's message of "Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:51:35 -0400")

Eric Paris <eparis-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:

> On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 16:49 -0400, Aristeu Rozanski wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 09:53:32AM +0800, Gao feng wrote:
>> > This patchset is first part of namespace support for audit.
>> > in this patchset, the mainly resources of audit system have
>> > been isolated. the audit filter, rules havn't been isolated
>> > now. It will be implemented in Part2. We finished the isolation
>> > of user audit message in this patchset.
>> > 
>> > I choose to assign audit to the user namespace.
>> > Right now,there are six kinds of namespaces, such as
>> > net, mount, ipc, pid, uts and user. the first five
>> > namespaces have special usage. the audit isn't suitable to
>> > belong to these five namespaces, And since the flag of system
>> > call clone is in short supply, we can't provide a new flag such
>> > as CLONE_NEWAUDIT to enable audit namespace separately. so the
>> > user namespace may be the best choice.
>> 
>> I thought it was said on the last submission that to tie userns and
>> audit namespace would be a bad idea?
>
> I consider it a non-starter.  unpriv users are allowed to launch their
> own user namespace.  The whole point of audit is to have only a priv
> user be allowed to make changes.  If you tied audit namespace to user
> namespace you grant an unpriv user the ability to modify audit.
>
> NAK.
>
> If there are not clone flags you will either need to only do this from
> unshare and not from clone, or get more flags to clone

I completely agree that only priveleged user should be able to make
changes.

On the flip side, I don't know if this is at all interesting unless we
have a solution that works for users in unprivileged user namespaces.
Something like having the possibility of two or more instances of audit
working on every action.  One for each layer of privilege.

Gao feng, how do you want to use the audit infrastructure?

Eric

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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
Cc: Aristeu Rozanski <aris@redhat.com>,
	Gao feng <gaofeng@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-audit@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com,
	matthltc@linux.vnet.ibm.com, sgrubb@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Part1 PATCH 00/22] Add namespace support for audit
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:03:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a9mlu82y.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1371675095.16587.5.camel@dhcp137-13.rdu.redhat.com> (Eric Paris's message of "Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:51:35 -0400")

Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com> writes:

> On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 16:49 -0400, Aristeu Rozanski wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 09:53:32AM +0800, Gao feng wrote:
>> > This patchset is first part of namespace support for audit.
>> > in this patchset, the mainly resources of audit system have
>> > been isolated. the audit filter, rules havn't been isolated
>> > now. It will be implemented in Part2. We finished the isolation
>> > of user audit message in this patchset.
>> > 
>> > I choose to assign audit to the user namespace.
>> > Right now,there are six kinds of namespaces, such as
>> > net, mount, ipc, pid, uts and user. the first five
>> > namespaces have special usage. the audit isn't suitable to
>> > belong to these five namespaces, And since the flag of system
>> > call clone is in short supply, we can't provide a new flag such
>> > as CLONE_NEWAUDIT to enable audit namespace separately. so the
>> > user namespace may be the best choice.
>> 
>> I thought it was said on the last submission that to tie userns and
>> audit namespace would be a bad idea?
>
> I consider it a non-starter.  unpriv users are allowed to launch their
> own user namespace.  The whole point of audit is to have only a priv
> user be allowed to make changes.  If you tied audit namespace to user
> namespace you grant an unpriv user the ability to modify audit.
>
> NAK.
>
> If there are not clone flags you will either need to only do this from
> unshare and not from clone, or get more flags to clone

I completely agree that only priveleged user should be able to make
changes.

On the flip side, I don't know if this is at all interesting unless we
have a solution that works for users in unprivileged user namespaces.
Something like having the possibility of two or more instances of audit
working on every action.  One for each layer of privilege.

Gao feng, how do you want to use the audit infrastructure?

Eric


  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-19 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-19  1:53 [Part1 PATCH 00/22] Add namespace support for audit Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53 ` Gao feng
     [not found] ` <1371606834-5802-1-git-send-email-gaofeng-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 01/22] Audit: change type of audit_ever_enabled to bool Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 02/22] Audit: remove duplicate comments Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 03/22] Audit: make audit kernel side netlink sock per userns Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 04/22] netlink: Add compare function for netlink_table Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 05/22] Audit: implement audit self-defined compare function Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 06/22] Audit: make audit_skb_queue per user namespace Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 07/22] Audit: make audit_skb_hold_queue " Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 08/22] Audit: make kauditd_task " Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 09/22] Audit: make audit_nlk_portid per user namesapce Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 10/22] Audit: make audit_enabled per user namespace Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 11/22] Audit: make audit_ever_enabled " Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 12/22] Audit: make audit_initialized " Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 13/22] Audit: only allow init user namespace to change rate limit Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 14/22] Audit: only allow init user namespace to change audit_failure Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 15/22] Audit: only allow init user namespace to change backlog_limit Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 16/22] Audit: make kauditd_wait per user namespace Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 17/22] Audit: make audit_backlog_wait " Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 18/22] Audit: introduce new audit logging interface for " Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 19/22] Audit: pass proper user namespace to audit_log_common_recv_msg Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 20/22] Audit: Log audit config change in uninit user namespace Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 21/22] Audit: send reply message to the auditd in proper " Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53     ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` [PATCH 22/22] Audit: Allow GET, SET, USER MSG operations in uninit " Gao feng
2013-06-19 20:49   ` [Part1 PATCH 00/22] Add namespace support for audit Aristeu Rozanski
2013-06-19 20:49     ` Aristeu Rozanski
     [not found]     ` <20130619204927.GJ3212-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-19 20:51       ` Eric Paris
2013-06-19 20:51         ` Eric Paris
     [not found]         ` <1371675095.16587.5.camel-97fqgl+48DwtHMky1e46ABcY2uh10dtjAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-19 21:03           ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2013-06-19 21:03             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <87a9mlu82y.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20  5:21               ` Gao feng
2013-06-20  5:21                 ` Gao feng
2013-06-20  3:02           ` Gao feng
2013-06-20  3:02             ` Gao feng
2013-06-20 13:02             ` Eric Paris
2013-06-20 13:02               ` Eric Paris
     [not found]               ` <1371733353.16587.19.camel-97fqgl+48DwtHMky1e46ABcY2uh10dtjAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20 20:45                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-06-20 20:45                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-06-21  3:48                 ` Gao feng
2013-06-21  3:48                   ` Gao feng
     [not found]                   ` <51C3CCFB.4030901-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-21  9:51                     ` Daniel J Walsh
2013-06-21  9:51                       ` Daniel J Walsh
     [not found]                       ` <51C42221.3030206-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-21 10:49                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-06-21 10:49                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-07-04  3:30                     ` Gao feng
2013-07-04  3:30                       ` Gao feng
     [not found]             ` <51C270AF.1080902-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20  3:09               ` Gao feng
2013-06-20  3:09                 ` Gao feng
     [not found]                 ` <51C27266.3060909-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20 22:01                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-06-20 22:01                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <87y5a4phlm.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-21  5:15                       ` Gao feng
2013-06-21  5:15                         ` Gao feng
2013-06-24 15:02                       ` Aristeu Rozanski
2013-06-24 15:02                         ` Aristeu Rozanski
     [not found]                         ` <20130624150237.GA3535-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-24 19:03                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-06-24 19:03                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-06-20 13:02               ` Eric Paris
2013-06-19  1:53 ` [PATCH 18/22] Audit: introduce new audit logging interface for user namespace Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53 ` [PATCH 19/22] Audit: pass proper user namespace to audit_log_common_recv_msg Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53 ` [PATCH 20/22] Audit: Log audit config change in uninit user namespace Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53 ` [PATCH 22/22] Audit: Allow GET,SET,USER MSG operations " Gao feng
2013-06-19  1:53   ` Gao feng

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