From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
Partha Basak <p-basak2@ti.com>,
linux-omap@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PM: add synchronous runtime interface for interrupt handlers
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:52:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87aamqaqt9.fsf@deeprootsystems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1010071048100.1753-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (Alan Stern's message of "Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:26:55 -0400 (EDT)")
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> writes:
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>
>> Defer the resume. That's the only thing you can do in any case, whether you're
>> going to busy loop or just use a workqueue.
>
> They are not the same. With a busy-wait you handle the device as soon
> as possible, before the interrupt routine returns. With a workqueue
> you have to mask the entire IRQ line, possibly losing interrupt
> requests from other devices, until the workqueue routine can run.
>
>> > On the whole, I don't see any striking reason for the PM core not to
>> > busy-wait during a concurrent state change.
>>
>> I do. That shouldn't happen in a fast path and we're talking about one,
>> aren't we? Besides, I don't like busy waiting as a rule.
>
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, Kevin Hilman wrote:
>
>> Not sure I follow where you're going with this last paragraph. Of
>> course, calls from ISR context cannot busy wait.
>
> What do you guys think spin_lock() does? It busy-waits until the lock
> is free! If you don't like busy-waiting then you don't like spinlocks,
> and if you believe ISR's can't busy-wait then you believe they can't
> acquire spinlocks. :-)
My confusion is not about the use of spinlocks, it's a question of what
is being busy-waited for, and the thread that is being waited for is
going to complete when interrupts are disabled.
Sorry to be dense, but can you (re)summarize what you're proposing as I
think I'm getting mixed up with all the various options we've been
tossing around.
If it can work, I'm certainly in favor of a busy-wait approach as it
really ensures that sync requests are handled quickly.
Kevin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-10-07 16:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-24 0:05 runtime_pm_get_sync() from ISR with IRQs disabled? Kevin Hilman
2010-09-24 15:13 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-09-24 18:54 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-09-24 18:54 ` [linux-pm] " Kevin Hilman
2010-09-24 20:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-27 13:57 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-27 20:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-27 20:00 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-27 20:39 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-27 21:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-28 14:55 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-28 18:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-28 18:19 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-30 18:25 ` [PATCH] PM: add synchronous runtime interface for interrupt handlers Alan Stern
2010-09-30 20:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-30 20:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-30 21:42 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-30 22:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-01 14:28 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-01 21:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-02 14:12 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-02 22:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-03 15:52 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-03 15:52 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-03 20:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-03 20:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-08 23:24 ` PATCH: PM / Runtime: Remove idle notification after failing suspend (was: Re: [PATCH] PM: add synchronous ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-08 23:24 ` PATCH: PM / Runtime: Remove idle notification after failing suspend (was: Re: [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-10 20:18 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-10 20:18 ` PATCH: PM / Runtime: Remove idle notification after failing suspend (was: " Alan Stern
2010-10-02 22:06 ` [PATCH] PM: add synchronous runtime interface for interrupt handlers Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-05 21:44 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-06 15:58 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-06 15:58 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-06 19:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-06 19:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-06 19:35 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-06 19:35 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-06 20:28 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-06 21:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-06 21:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-07 15:26 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-07 15:26 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-07 16:52 ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2010-10-07 17:35 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-07 21:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-07 23:15 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-07 23:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-07 23:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-07 23:55 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-07 23:55 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-08 16:22 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-08 16:22 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-08 21:04 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-08 21:04 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-08 19:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-08 19:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-07 23:15 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-08 16:18 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-08 16:18 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-08 19:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-09 11:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-09 11:09 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-11 17:00 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-11 22:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-11 22:30 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-11 17:00 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-08 19:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-07 21:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-07 17:35 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-07 16:52 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-11-19 15:45 ` [PATCH ver. 2] " Alan Stern
2010-11-20 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-20 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-20 16:59 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-20 19:41 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-20 19:41 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-11-21 23:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-21 23:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-21 23:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-22 15:38 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-22 15:38 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-22 23:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-23 3:19 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-23 3:19 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-23 22:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-24 0:11 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-11-24 16:43 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-24 18:03 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-11-24 18:03 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-11-24 16:43 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-24 0:11 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-11-24 14:56 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-24 14:56 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-24 20:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-24 20:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-25 15:52 ` [PATCH ver. 3] " Alan Stern
2010-11-25 15:52 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-25 18:58 ` [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2010-11-25 20:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-25 20:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-25 18:58 ` Oliver Neukum
2010-11-26 22:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-26 22:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-23 22:51 ` [PATCH ver. 2] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-22 23:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-21 23:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-20 16:59 ` Alan Stern
2010-11-19 15:45 ` Alan Stern
2011-04-11 15:47 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2011-04-11 16:08 ` Alan Stern
2011-04-11 17:20 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2011-04-11 18:37 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-06 23:51 ` [PATCH] " Kevin Hilman
2010-10-06 23:51 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-06 20:28 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-05 21:44 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-02 14:12 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-01 14:28 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-30 22:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-30 21:42 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-30 21:42 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-30 22:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-01 14:12 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-01 14:12 ` Alan Stern
2010-10-01 21:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-01 22:37 ` [PATCH] PM / Runtime: Reduce code duplication in core helper functions (was: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH] PM: add synchronous ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-02 14:15 ` [PATCH] PM / Runtime: Reduce code duplication in core helper functions (was: " Alan Stern
2010-10-02 14:15 ` [PATCH] PM / Runtime: Reduce code duplication in core helper functions (was: Re: [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-10-01 22:37 ` [PATCH] PM / Runtime: Reduce code duplication in core helper functions (was: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-01 21:14 ` [PATCH] PM: add synchronous runtime interface for interrupt handlers Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-30 18:25 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-28 14:55 ` runtime_pm_get_sync() from ISR with IRQs disabled? Alan Stern
2010-09-27 21:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-27 21:11 ` [linux-pm] " Kevin Hilman
2010-09-27 21:11 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-09-27 20:39 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-27 13:57 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-24 20:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-24 20:27 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-09-24 21:52 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-09-24 21:52 ` [linux-pm] " Kevin Hilman
2010-09-24 20:27 ` Alan Stern
2010-09-24 15:13 ` Alan Stern
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