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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Yan Vugenfirer <yvugenfi@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"linux-kernel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:53:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87boidgvaq.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120814154237.GA21284@amt.cnet>

Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> writes:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:55:54PM +0300, Yan Vugenfirer wrote:
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> 
>> > On 2012-08-14 10:56, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:21:32PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:43:01AM +0800, Wen Congyang wrote:
>> >>>> We can know the guest is panicked when the guest runs on xen.
>> >>>> But we do not have such feature on kvm.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Another purpose of this feature is: management app(for example:
>> >>>> libvirt) can do auto dump when the guest is panicked. If management
>> >>>> app does not do auto dump, the guest's user can do dump by hand if
>> >>>> he sees the guest is panicked.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> We have three solutions to implement this feature:
>> >>>> 1. use vmcall
>> >>>> 2. use I/O port
>> >>>> 3. use virtio-serial.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> We have decided to avoid touching hypervisor. The reason why I choose
>> >>>> choose the I/O port is:
>> >>>> 1. it is easier to implememt
>> >>>> 2. it does not depend any virtual device
>> >>>> 3. it can work when starting the kernel
>> >>> 
>> >>> How about searching for the "Kernel panic - not syncing" string 
>> >>> in the guests serial output? Say libvirtd could take an action upon
>> >>> that?
>> >> 
>> >> No, this is not satisfactory. It depends on the guest OS being
>> >> configured to use the serial port for console output which we
>> >> cannot mandate, since it may well be required for other purposes.
>> > 
>> Please don't forget Windows guests, there is no console and no "Kernel Panic" string ;)
>> 
>> What I used for debugging purposes on Windows guest is to register a bugcheck callback in virtio-net driver and write 1 to VIRTIO_PCI_ISR register.
>> 
>> Yan. 
>
> Considering whether a "panic-device" should cover other OSes is also 
> something to consider. Even for Linux, is "panic" the only case which
> should be reported via the mechanism? What about oopses without panic? 
>
> Is the mechanism general enough for supporting new events, etc.

Hi,

I think this discussion is gone of the deep end.

Forget about !x86 platforms.  They have their own way to do this sort of
thing.  Think of this feature like a status LED on a motherboard.  These
are very common and usually controlled by IO ports.

We're simply reserving a "status LED" for the guest to indicate that it
has paniced.  Let's not over engineer this.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
>> 
>> > Well, we have more than a single serial port, even when leaving
>> > virtio-serial aside...
>> > 
>> > Jan
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT RTC ITP SDP-DE
>> > Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux
>> > --
>> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe kvm" in
>> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>> > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Yan Vugenfirer <yvugenfi@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:53:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87boidgvaq.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120814154237.GA21284@amt.cnet>

Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> writes:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:55:54PM +0300, Yan Vugenfirer wrote:
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> 
>> > On 2012-08-14 10:56, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:21:32PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:43:01AM +0800, Wen Congyang wrote:
>> >>>> We can know the guest is panicked when the guest runs on xen.
>> >>>> But we do not have such feature on kvm.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Another purpose of this feature is: management app(for example:
>> >>>> libvirt) can do auto dump when the guest is panicked. If management
>> >>>> app does not do auto dump, the guest's user can do dump by hand if
>> >>>> he sees the guest is panicked.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> We have three solutions to implement this feature:
>> >>>> 1. use vmcall
>> >>>> 2. use I/O port
>> >>>> 3. use virtio-serial.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> We have decided to avoid touching hypervisor. The reason why I choose
>> >>>> choose the I/O port is:
>> >>>> 1. it is easier to implememt
>> >>>> 2. it does not depend any virtual device
>> >>>> 3. it can work when starting the kernel
>> >>> 
>> >>> How about searching for the "Kernel panic - not syncing" string 
>> >>> in the guests serial output? Say libvirtd could take an action upon
>> >>> that?
>> >> 
>> >> No, this is not satisfactory. It depends on the guest OS being
>> >> configured to use the serial port for console output which we
>> >> cannot mandate, since it may well be required for other purposes.
>> > 
>> Please don't forget Windows guests, there is no console and no "Kernel Panic" string ;)
>> 
>> What I used for debugging purposes on Windows guest is to register a bugcheck callback in virtio-net driver and write 1 to VIRTIO_PCI_ISR register.
>> 
>> Yan. 
>
> Considering whether a "panic-device" should cover other OSes is also 
> something to consider. Even for Linux, is "panic" the only case which
> should be reported via the mechanism? What about oopses without panic? 
>
> Is the mechanism general enough for supporting new events, etc.

Hi,

I think this discussion is gone of the deep end.

Forget about !x86 platforms.  They have their own way to do this sort of
thing.  Think of this feature like a status LED on a motherboard.  These
are very common and usually controlled by IO ports.

We're simply reserving a "status LED" for the guest to indicate that it
has paniced.  Let's not over engineer this.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
>> 
>> > Well, we have more than a single serial port, even when leaving
>> > virtio-serial aside...
>> > 
>> > Jan
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT RTC ITP SDP-DE
>> > Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux
>> > --
>> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe kvm" in
>> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>> > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-14 18:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-08  2:43 [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:43 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:44 ` [PATCH v8 1/6] start vm after reseting it Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:44   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:45 ` [PATCH v8 2/6] kvm: Update kernel headers Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:45   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:45 ` [PATCH v8 3/6] add a new runstate: RUN_STATE_GUEST_PANICKED Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:45   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:46 ` [PATCH v8 4/6] add a new qevent: QEVENT_GUEST_PANICKED Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:46   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:47 ` [PATCH v8 5/6] introduce a new qom device to deal with panicked event Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:47   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-08-08 19:01   ` Blue Swirl
2012-08-08 19:01     ` Blue Swirl
2012-08-22  7:30     ` Wen Congyang
2012-08-22  7:30       ` Wen Congyang
2012-08-25  7:36       ` Blue Swirl
2012-08-25  7:36         ` Blue Swirl
2012-08-08  2:47 ` [PATCH v8 6/6] allower the user to disable pv event support Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:47   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  9:12 ` [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked Andrew Jones
2012-08-08  9:12   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2012-08-08  9:28   ` Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  9:28     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-08-13 18:21 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-13 18:21   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-13 19:48   ` Eric Blake
2012-08-13 19:48     ` Eric Blake
2012-08-13 20:24     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-13 20:24       ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-13 20:24       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14  7:47       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-14  7:47         ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-08-14  7:47         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-14 15:29         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 15:29           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 15:50           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-14 15:50             ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-08-14 15:50             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-14  8:56   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-08-14  8:56     ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2012-08-14  8:56     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-08-14 10:42     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-08-14 10:42       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-08-14 10:42       ` Jan Kiszka
2012-08-14 14:55       ` Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-14 14:55         ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-14 14:55         ` Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-14 15:01         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-08-14 15:01           ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-08-14 15:42         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 15:42           ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 15:42           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 18:53           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-08-14 18:53             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-08-14 19:19             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 19:19               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 19:35               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-08-14 19:35                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-08-14 19:35                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-08-14 20:53                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 20:53                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 22:59                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-08-14 22:59                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-08-14 22:59                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-08-15  0:25                     ` [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked\ Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-15  0:25                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-15  0:25                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-22  6:33                   ` [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked Wen Congyang
2012-08-22  6:33                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-08-22  6:33                     ` Wen Congyang
2012-08-15  9:56                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-15  9:56                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-08-15  9:56                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-15 11:42                   ` Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-15 11:42                     ` Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-15 11:38                 ` Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-15 11:38                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-15 11:38                   ` Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-14 19:58             ` Peter Maydell
2012-08-14 19:58               ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2012-08-14 19:58               ` Peter Maydell

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