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From: Sergio Lopez <slp@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mst@redhat.com, imammedo@redhat.com,
	marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com, rth@twiddle.net, ehabkost@redhat.com,
	philmd@redhat.com, lersek@redhat.com, kraxel@redhat.com,
	mtosatti@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 7/8] docs/microvm.txt: document the new microvm machine type
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 10:40:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ftkksr9u.fsf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <317e53b1-d658-4b6b-c782-4b2a0dd091b2@redhat.com>

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Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> writes:

> On 25/09/19 07:49, Sergio Lopez wrote:
>>>> +serving as a stepping stone
>>>> +for future projects aiming at improving boot times, reducing the
>>>> +attack surface and slimming down QEMU's footprint.
>>>
>>> "Microvm also establishes a baseline for benchmarking QEMU and operating
>>> systems, since it is optimized for both boot time and footprint".
>> 
>> Well, I prefer my paragraph, but I'm good with either.
>
> You're right my version sort of missed the point.  What about
> s/benchmarking/benchmarking and optimizing/?
>
>>>> +The microvm machine type supports the following devices:
>>>> +
>>>> + - ISA bus
>>>> + - i8259 PIC
>>>> + - LAPIC (implicit if using KVM)
>>>> + - IOAPIC (defaults to kernel_irqchip_split = true)
>>>> + - i8254 PIT
>>>
>>> Do we need the PIT?  And perhaps the PIC even?
>> 
>> We need the PIT for non-KVM accel (if present with KVM and
>> kernel_irqchip_split = off, it basically becomes a placeholder)
>
> Why?

Perhaps I'm missing something. Is some other device supposed to be
acting as a HW timer while running with TCG acceleration?

>> and the
>> PIC for both the PIT and the ISA serial port.
>
> Can't the ISA serial port work with the IOAPIC?

Hm... I'm not sure. I wanted to give it a try, but then noticed that
multiple places in the code (like hw/intc/apic.c:560) do expect to have
an ISA PIC present through the isa_pic global variable.

I guess we should be able to work around this, but I'm not sure if it's
really worth it. What do you think?

Thanks,
Sergio.

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From: Sergio Lopez <slp@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: ehabkost@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org, mst@redhat.com,
	lersek@redhat.com, mtosatti@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	kraxel@redhat.com, imammedo@redhat.com, philmd@redhat.com,
	rth@twiddle.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 7/8] docs/microvm.txt: document the new microvm machine type
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 10:40:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ftkksr9u.fsf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <317e53b1-d658-4b6b-c782-4b2a0dd091b2@redhat.com>

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Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> writes:

> On 25/09/19 07:49, Sergio Lopez wrote:
>>>> +serving as a stepping stone
>>>> +for future projects aiming at improving boot times, reducing the
>>>> +attack surface and slimming down QEMU's footprint.
>>>
>>> "Microvm also establishes a baseline for benchmarking QEMU and operating
>>> systems, since it is optimized for both boot time and footprint".
>> 
>> Well, I prefer my paragraph, but I'm good with either.
>
> You're right my version sort of missed the point.  What about
> s/benchmarking/benchmarking and optimizing/?
>
>>>> +The microvm machine type supports the following devices:
>>>> +
>>>> + - ISA bus
>>>> + - i8259 PIC
>>>> + - LAPIC (implicit if using KVM)
>>>> + - IOAPIC (defaults to kernel_irqchip_split = true)
>>>> + - i8254 PIT
>>>
>>> Do we need the PIT?  And perhaps the PIC even?
>> 
>> We need the PIT for non-KVM accel (if present with KVM and
>> kernel_irqchip_split = off, it basically becomes a placeholder)
>
> Why?

Perhaps I'm missing something. Is some other device supposed to be
acting as a HW timer while running with TCG acceleration?

>> and the
>> PIC for both the PIT and the ISA serial port.
>
> Can't the ISA serial port work with the IOAPIC?

Hm... I'm not sure. I wanted to give it a try, but then noticed that
multiple places in the code (like hw/intc/apic.c:560) do expect to have
an ISA PIC present through the isa_pic global variable.

I guess we should be able to work around this, but I'm not sure if it's
really worth it. What do you think?

Thanks,
Sergio.

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-25  8:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-24 12:44 [PATCH v4 0/8] Introduce the microvm machine type Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44 ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v4 1/8] hw/i386: Factorize PVH related functions Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 13:18   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-24 13:18     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-25  6:03     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  6:03       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  8:36   ` Stefano Garzarella
2019-09-25  8:36     ` Stefano Garzarella
2019-09-25  9:00     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  9:00       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  9:29       ` Stefano Garzarella
2019-09-25  9:29         ` Stefano Garzarella
2019-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v4 2/8] hw/i386: Factorize e820 " Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 13:20   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-24 13:20     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-24 14:12     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 14:12       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v4 3/8] hw/virtio: Factorize virtio-mmio headers Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v4 4/8] hw/i386: split PCMachineState deriving X86MachineState from it Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 13:40   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-25 15:39     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v4 5/8] fw_cfg: add "modify" functions for all types Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v4 6/8] roms: add microvm-bios (qboot) as binary and git submodule Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 13:31   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-24 13:31     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-25  6:09     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  6:09       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v4 7/8] docs/microvm.txt: document the new microvm machine type Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 13:10   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-24 13:10     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25  5:49     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  5:49       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  7:57       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25  7:57         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25  8:40         ` Sergio Lopez [this message]
2019-09-25  8:40           ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  9:22           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25  9:22             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25 11:04             ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25 11:04               ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25 11:20               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25 11:20                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25 15:04     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25 15:04       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25 16:46       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25 16:46         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-26  6:23         ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-26  6:23           ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-26  8:58           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-26  8:58             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-26 10:16             ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-26 10:16               ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-26 10:21               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-26 10:21                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-26 12:12                 ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-26 12:12                   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  5:06   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-09-25  5:06     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-09-25  7:33     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  7:33       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  8:51       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-09-25  8:51         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v4 8/8] hw/i386: Introduce the " Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 12:44   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 13:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-24 13:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-24 13:24     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-24 13:24       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-24 13:34       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-24 13:34         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25  5:53     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  5:53       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-24 13:28   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-24 13:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-25  5:59     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  5:59       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-10-01  8:56       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-10-01  8:56         ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25 15:40   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-25 15:40     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-26  6:34     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-26  6:34       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-26  8:59       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-26  8:59         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-24 13:57 ` [PATCH v4 0/8] " Peter Maydell
2019-09-24 13:57   ` Peter Maydell
2019-09-25  5:51   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  5:51     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25 11:33     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-25 11:33       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-25 12:39       ` Peter Maydell
2019-09-25 12:39         ` Peter Maydell
2019-09-25  7:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25  7:41   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25  7:58   ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-09-25  7:58     ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-09-25  8:10   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  8:10     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  8:16     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25  8:16       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25  8:37       ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-09-25  8:37         ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-09-25  8:26     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25  8:26       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25  8:42       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  8:42         ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-25  8:44       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25  8:44         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25 10:19         ` when to use virtio (was Re: [PATCH v4 0/8] Introduce the microvm machine type) Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25 10:19           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25 10:50           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25 10:50             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25 11:24             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25 11:24               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25 11:32               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25 11:32                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25  9:12       ` [PATCH v4 0/8] Introduce the microvm machine type Gerd Hoffmann
2019-09-25  9:12         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-09-25  9:29         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25  9:29           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-09-25  9:47         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-25  9:47           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-26  7:48 ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-09-26  7:48   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-09-26  8:22   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-26  8:22     ` Sergio Lopez

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