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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andrei Vagin <avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Serge Hallyn
	<serge.hallyn-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>,
	"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Alexander Viro
	<viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4 v3] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 20:09:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fuorbevw.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1473148036-32630-1-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> (Andrei Vagin's message of "Tue, 6 Sep 2016 00:47:12 -0700")


Andrei Vagin <avagin@openvz.org> writes:

> From: Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>
>
> Each namespace has an owning user namespace and now there is not way
> to discover these relationships.
>
> Pid and user namepaces are hierarchical. There is no way to discover
> parent-child relationships too.
>
> Why we may want to know relationships between namespaces?
>
> One use would be visualization, in order to understand the running
> system.  Another would be to answer the question: what capability does
> process X have to perform operations on a resource governed by namespace
> Y?
>
> One more use-case (which usually called abnormal) is checkpoint/restart.
> In CRIU we are going to dump and restore nested namespaces.
>
> There [1] was a discussion about which interface to choose to determing
> relationships between namespaces.
>
> Eric suggested to add two ioctl-s [2]:
>> Grumble, Grumble.  I think this may actually a case for creating ioctls
>> for these two cases.  Now that random nsfs file descriptors are bind
>> mountable the original reason for using proc files is not as pressing.
>>
>> One ioctl for the user namespace that owns a file descriptor.
>> One ioctl for the parent namespace of a namespace file descriptor.
>
> Here is an implementaions of these ioctl-s.
>
> $ man man7/namespaces.7
> ...
> Since  Linux  4.X,  the  following  ioctl(2)  calls are supported for
> namespace file descriptors.  The correct syntax is:
>
>       fd = ioctl(ns_fd, ioctl_type);
>
> where ioctl_type is one of the following:
>
> NS_GET_USERNS
>       Returns a file descriptor that refers to an owning user names‐
>       pace.
>
> NS_GET_PARENT
>       Returns  a  file descriptor that refers to a parent namespace.
>       This ioctl(2) can be used for pid  and  user  namespaces.  For
>       user namespaces, NS_GET_PARENT and NS_GET_USERNS have the same
>       meaning.
>
> In addition to generic ioctl(2) errors, the following  specific  ones
> can occur:
>
> EINVAL NS_GET_PARENT was called for a nonhierarchical namespace.
>
> EPERM  The  requested  namespace  is outside of the current namespace
>       scope.
>
> [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/7/6/158
> [2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/7/9/101
>
> Changes for v2:
> * don't return ENOENT for init_user_ns and init_pid_ns. There is nothing
>   outside of the init namespace, so we can return EPERM in this case too.
>> The fewer special cases the easier the code is to get
>> correct, and the easier it is to read. // Eric
>
> Changes for v3:
> * rename ns->get_owner() to ns->owner(). get_* usually means that it
>   grabs a reference.
>
> Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
> Cc: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
> Cc: "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us>
> Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
> Cc: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>
>

Applied thanks.

I didn't see any issues except your patch __ns_get_path was missing a
mntput in the retry case. So I just fixed that.

Eric

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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andrei Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>
Cc: containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	"Michael Kerrisk \(man-pages\)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	"W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4 v3] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 20:09:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fuorbevw.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1473148036-32630-1-git-send-email-avagin@openvz.org> (Andrei Vagin's message of "Tue, 6 Sep 2016 00:47:12 -0700")


Andrei Vagin <avagin@openvz.org> writes:

> From: Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>
>
> Each namespace has an owning user namespace and now there is not way
> to discover these relationships.
>
> Pid and user namepaces are hierarchical. There is no way to discover
> parent-child relationships too.
>
> Why we may want to know relationships between namespaces?
>
> One use would be visualization, in order to understand the running
> system.  Another would be to answer the question: what capability does
> process X have to perform operations on a resource governed by namespace
> Y?
>
> One more use-case (which usually called abnormal) is checkpoint/restart.
> In CRIU we are going to dump and restore nested namespaces.
>
> There [1] was a discussion about which interface to choose to determing
> relationships between namespaces.
>
> Eric suggested to add two ioctl-s [2]:
>> Grumble, Grumble.  I think this may actually a case for creating ioctls
>> for these two cases.  Now that random nsfs file descriptors are bind
>> mountable the original reason for using proc files is not as pressing.
>>
>> One ioctl for the user namespace that owns a file descriptor.
>> One ioctl for the parent namespace of a namespace file descriptor.
>
> Here is an implementaions of these ioctl-s.
>
> $ man man7/namespaces.7
> ...
> Since  Linux  4.X,  the  following  ioctl(2)  calls are supported for
> namespace file descriptors.  The correct syntax is:
>
>       fd = ioctl(ns_fd, ioctl_type);
>
> where ioctl_type is one of the following:
>
> NS_GET_USERNS
>       Returns a file descriptor that refers to an owning user names‐
>       pace.
>
> NS_GET_PARENT
>       Returns  a  file descriptor that refers to a parent namespace.
>       This ioctl(2) can be used for pid  and  user  namespaces.  For
>       user namespaces, NS_GET_PARENT and NS_GET_USERNS have the same
>       meaning.
>
> In addition to generic ioctl(2) errors, the following  specific  ones
> can occur:
>
> EINVAL NS_GET_PARENT was called for a nonhierarchical namespace.
>
> EPERM  The  requested  namespace  is outside of the current namespace
>       scope.
>
> [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/7/6/158
> [2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/7/9/101
>
> Changes for v2:
> * don't return ENOENT for init_user_ns and init_pid_ns. There is nothing
>   outside of the init namespace, so we can return EPERM in this case too.
>> The fewer special cases the easier the code is to get
>> correct, and the easier it is to read. // Eric
>
> Changes for v3:
> * rename ns->get_owner() to ns->owner(). get_* usually means that it
>   grabs a reference.
>
> Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
> Cc: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
> Cc: "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us>
> Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
> Cc: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>
>

Applied thanks.

I didn't see any issues except your patch __ns_get_path was missing a
mntput in the retry case. So I just fixed that.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-23  1:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-06  7:47 [PATCH 0/4 v3] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces Andrei Vagin
2016-09-06  7:47 ` Andrei Vagin
     [not found] ` <1473148036-32630-1-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-06  7:47   ` [PATCH 1/4] kernel: add a helper to get an owning user namespace for a namespace Andrei Vagin
2016-09-06  7:47     ` Andrei Vagin
2016-09-06  7:47   ` [PATCH 2/4] nsfs: add ioctl to get an owning user namespace for ns file descriptor Andrei Vagin
2016-09-06  7:47     ` Andrei Vagin
     [not found]     ` <1473148036-32630-3-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-06 15:54       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-09-06 15:54     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-09-06  7:47   ` [PATCH 3/4] nsfs: add ioctl to get a parent namespace Andrei Vagin
2016-09-06  7:47     ` Andrei Vagin
2016-09-06 15:51     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <1473148036-32630-4-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-06 15:51       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-09-06  7:47   ` [PATCH 4/4] tools/testing: add a test to check nsfs ioctl-s Andrei Vagin
2016-09-06  7:47     ` Andrei Vagin
2016-09-23  1:09   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2016-09-23  1:09     ` [PATCH 0/4 v3] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces Eric W. Biederman

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