From: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: "Christoph Lameter (Ampere)" <cl@gentwo.org>,
Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 01/11] cpuidle/poll_state: poll via smp_cond_load_relaxed()
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:53:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jze9rq15.fsf@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zw6o_OyhzYd6hfjZ@arm.com>
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> writes:
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 10:17:13AM -0700, Christoph Lameter (Ampere) wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>> > > Setting of need_resched() from another processor involves sending an IPI
>> > > after that was set. I dont think we need to smp_cond_load_relaxed since
>> > > the IPI will cause an event. For ARM a WFE would be sufficient.
>> >
>> > I'm not worried about the need_resched() case, even without an IPI it
>> > would still work.
>> >
>> > The loop_count++ side of the condition is supposed to timeout in the
>> > absence of a need_resched() event. You can't do an smp_cond_load_*() on
>> > a variable that's only updated by the waiting CPU. Nothing guarantees to
>> > wake it up to update the variable (the event stream on arm64, yes, but
>> > that's generic code).
>>
>> Hmm... I have WFET implementation here without smp_cond modelled after
>> the delay() implementation ARM64 (but its not generic and there is
>> an additional patch required to make this work. Intermediate patch
>> attached)
>
> At least one additional patch ;). But yeah, I suggested hiding all this
> behind something like smp_cond_load_timeout() which would wait on
> current_thread_info()->flags but with a timeout. The arm64
> implementation would follow some of the logic in __delay(). Others may
> simply poll with cpu_relax().
>
> Alternatively, if we get an IPI anyway, we can avoid smp_cond_load() and
> rely on need_resched() and some new delay/cpu_relax() API that waits for
> a timeout or an IPI, whichever comes first. E.g. cpu_relax_timeout()
> which on arm64 it's just a simplified version of __delay() without the
> 'while' loops.
AFAICT when polling (which we are since poll_idle() calls
current_set_polling_and_test()), the scheduler will elide the IPI
by remotely setting the need-resched bit via set_nr_if_polling().
Once we stop polling then the scheduler should take the IPI path
because call_function_single_prep_ipi() will fail.
--
ankur
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-15 21:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-25 23:24 [PATCH v8 00/11] Enable haltpoll on arm64 Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 01/11] cpuidle/poll_state: poll via smp_cond_load_relaxed() Ankur Arora
2024-10-15 12:04 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-15 16:42 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-15 16:50 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-15 17:17 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-15 17:40 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-15 21:53 ` Ankur Arora [this message]
2024-10-15 22:28 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-16 7:06 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-17 16:54 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-17 18:36 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-15 22:40 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-16 9:54 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-17 16:56 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-17 18:15 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-17 19:34 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-15 21:32 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-16 6:20 ` maobibo
2024-10-16 10:06 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-16 15:13 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-10-16 17:04 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-16 18:04 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-10-17 14:01 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-17 22:47 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-18 11:05 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-18 19:00 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-21 12:02 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 02/11] cpuidle: rename ARCH_HAS_CPU_RELAX to ARCH_HAS_OPTIMIZED_POLL Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 03/11] Kconfig: move ARCH_HAS_OPTIMIZED_POLL to arch/Kconfig Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 04/11] cpuidle-haltpoll: define arch_haltpoll_want() Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 05/11] governors/haltpoll: drop kvm_para_available() check Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 06/11] cpuidle-haltpoll: condition on ARCH_CPUIDLE_HALTPOLL Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 07/11] arm64: define TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 08/11] arm64: idle: export arch_cpu_idle Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 09/11] arm64: select ARCH_HAS_OPTIMIZED_POLL Ankur Arora
2024-10-14 22:48 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 10/11] cpuidle/poll_state: limit POLL_IDLE_RELAX_COUNT on arm64 Ankur Arora
2024-09-25 23:24 ` [PATCH v8 11/11] arm64: support cpuidle-haltpoll Ankur Arora
2024-10-02 22:42 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-10-03 3:29 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-14 22:49 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-15 1:49 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-16 15:13 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-10-09 2:37 ` [PATCH v8 00/11] Enable haltpoll on arm64 zhenglifeng (A)
2024-10-15 1:53 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-14 22:54 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-15 12:36 ` Marc Zyngier
2024-10-16 21:55 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-17 8:19 ` Marc Zyngier
2024-10-17 18:35 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-22 22:01 ` Ankur Arora
2024-11-05 18:30 ` Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 18:30 ` [PATCH 1/5] asm-generic: add smp_vcond_load_relaxed() Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 19:36 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-11-06 17:06 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-06 11:08 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-11-06 18:13 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-06 19:55 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-11-06 20:31 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-06 11:39 ` Will Deacon
2024-11-06 17:18 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-05 18:30 ` [PATCH 2/5] arm64: add __READ_ONCE_EX() Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 19:39 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-11-06 17:37 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-06 11:43 ` Will Deacon
2024-11-06 17:09 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-09 9:49 ` David Laight
2024-11-05 18:30 ` [PATCH 3/5] arm64: refactor delay() to enable polling for value Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 19:42 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-11-06 17:42 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-06 9:18 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-11-06 17:38 ` Okanovic, Haris
2024-11-05 18:30 ` [PATCH 4/5] arm64: add smp_vcond_load_relaxed() Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 18:30 ` [PATCH 5/5] cpuidle: implement poll_idle() using smp_vcond_load_relaxed() Haris Okanovic
2024-11-05 19:45 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-11-05 18:49 ` [PATCH v8 00/11] Enable haltpoll on arm64 Ankur Arora
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