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From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Pedro Barbuda <pbarbuda@microsoft.com>,
	Mohamed Mediouni <mohamed@unpredictable.fr>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Harsh Prateek Bora <harshpb@linux.ibm.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	Matthew Rosato <mjrosato@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: what is qemu_system_guest_panicked() for?
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 10:36:12 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pl0rdnar.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA_zmc=Vvs38Qos_gecCmGAbRgDQF-0+x85Ja66nsqrHxA@mail.gmail.com>

Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> writes:

> (cc list is a random mix of maintainers of code that calls this
> function, Paolo as "main loop maintainer" and a few others who
> I thought might have an opinion.)
>
> We have a qemu_system_guest_panicked() function which causes QEMU
> to report this to the user and do one of a couple of possible options
> (shutdown, pause the VM, do nothing). This seems mostly intended for
> "the guest OS told us by some mechanism that it just panicked". But
> we use it more widely than that...
>
> Cases which are "the guest told us about a panic":
>  - accel/kvm/kvm-all.c handling of the KVM_EXIT_SYSTEM_EVENT SEV_TERM
>    and CRASH subtypes
>  - the pvpanic device
>  - the spapr ibm,os-term RTAS call

I think I remember this one is arbitrary and the spec doesn't really
interprets this as an error state of any sort. It's just that this is
the way it has been used.

I had to comment that qemu_system_guest_panicked line a few times when
experimenting with using os-term to do a clean termination _from_ the
guest code.

PPC folks, please confirm, it's been years since I looked at this.

>  - x86 kvm: tdx_panicked_on_fatal_error()
>  - x86 xen: the SHUTDOWN_crash shutdown subtype
>
> Cases which are not:
>  - hw/spapr/rtas.c: if the FDT has no RTAS address during system reset
>  - hw/spapr/spapr_events.c: if we wanted to deliver a machine check
>    exception to the guest but the FDT has no RTAS address
>  - hw/spapr/spapr_events.c: if we want to deliver a machine check
>    but the guest is still dealing with a previous machine check
>  - arm whpx, if we get an unknown/unexpected exit code trying to run the VM
>  - x86 nvmm, for an unknown/unexpected VM exit code
>  - ppc TCG, in powerpc_checkstop(), for a machine check exception I think
>  - s390_handle_wait(): not sure exactly what this is
>  - s390 unmanageable_intercept(): again not sure, think this is where
>    the guest has gone off the rails and we can't keep running
>
> At least one or two of the above have comments to the effect that
> they don't want to use e.g. cpu_abort() because they want to give
> the user the ability to examine the VM after this unrecoverable
> guest error, rather than just exiting QEMU.
>
> So I guess my question is, is it OK to mash these two categories of
> "we can't keep running the VM" together, or should we define a new
> one for the "unrecoverable guest error" case, or do we already have
> some better thing to do that I missed?
>
> In particular, "do nothing" might be a reasonable response for the
> user to configure to a guest panic notification, since the guest will
> presumably stick the vcpu into a do-nothing loop, but "do nothing"
> doesn't make sense for "unrecoverable guest error" because we'll
> probably then sit in QEMU in a tight loop retrying whatever it
> was that failed.
>
> If we had some kind of qemu_system_unrecoverable_guest_error() then
> we could maybe convert some uses of cpu_abort() over to that (though
> uses of cpu_abort() are a very mixed bunch, some of which should be
> LOG_UNIMP or LOG_GUEST_ERROR and continue and some of which should
> be straightforward assertions, as well as some which might be this
> new exit case).
>
> (This query was prompted by a patch for arm whpx which adds a new
> qemu_system_guest_panicked() call for an unhandled VM exit situation.)
>
> thanks
> -- PMM


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-13 13:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-10 16:02 what is qemu_system_guest_panicked() for? Peter Maydell
2026-07-11 15:01 ` Harsh Prateek Bora
2026-07-13  8:39 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-13  8:57   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-13  9:06     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-13 10:30       ` Cornelia Huck
2026-07-13 11:43       ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-13 12:14         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-13 13:57           ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-13 15:02             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-13 18:09               ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-13 12:30   ` Peter Maydell
2026-07-13 10:22 ` Cornelia Huck
2026-07-13 13:53   ` Christian Borntraeger
2026-07-13 13:36 ` Fabiano Rosas [this message]
2026-07-14 10:24   ` Aditya Gupta
2026-07-14 14:47     ` Shivang Upadhyay
2026-07-13 14:49 ` Fabiano Rosas
2026-07-13 15:03   ` Peter Maydell
2026-07-13 16:11     ` Fabiano Rosas

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