From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>, Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
Ross Philipson <ross.philipson@oracle.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
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kanth.ghatraju@oracle.com, trenchboot-devel@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 06/14] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 15:24:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pm75bs3v.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230512112847.GF14461@srcf.ucam.org>
On Fri, May 12 2023 at 12:28, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 01:18:45PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 May 2023 at 13:04, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 06:21:44PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
>> >
>> > > SHA-1 is insecure. Why are you still using SHA-1? Don't TPMs support SHA-2
>> > > now?
>> >
>> > TXT is supported on some TPM 1.2 systems as well. TPM 2 systems are also
>> > at the whim of the firmware in terms of whether the SHA-2 banks are
>> > enabled. But even if the SHA-2 banks are enabled, if you suddenly stop
>> > extending the SHA-1 banks, a malicious actor can later turn up and
>> > extend whatever they want into them and present a SHA-1-only
>> > attestation. Ideally whatever is handling that attestation should know
>> > whether or not to expect an attestation with SHA-2, but the easiest way
>> > to maintain security is to always extend all banks.
>> >
>>
>> Wouldn't it make more sense to measure some terminating event into the
>> SHA-1 banks instead?
>
> Unless we assert that SHA-1 events are unsupported, it seems a bit odd
> to force a policy on people who have both banks enabled. People with
> mixed fleets are potentially going to be dealing with SHA-1 measurements
> for a while yet, and while there's obviously a security benefit in using
> SHA-2 instead it'd be irritating to have to maintain two attestation
> policies.
Why?
If you have a mixed fleet then it's not too much asked to provide two
data sets. On a TPM2 system you can enforce SHA-2 and only fallback to
SHA-1 on TPM 1.2 hardware. No?
Thanks,
tglx
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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>, Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
Ross Philipson <ross.philipson@oracle.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
dpsmith@apertussolutions.com, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
hpa@zytor.com, James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com,
luto@amacapital.net, nivedita@alum.mit.edu,
kanth.ghatraju@oracle.com, trenchboot-devel@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 06/14] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 15:24:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pm75bs3v.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230512112847.GF14461@srcf.ucam.org>
On Fri, May 12 2023 at 12:28, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 01:18:45PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 May 2023 at 13:04, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 06:21:44PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
>> >
>> > > SHA-1 is insecure. Why are you still using SHA-1? Don't TPMs support SHA-2
>> > > now?
>> >
>> > TXT is supported on some TPM 1.2 systems as well. TPM 2 systems are also
>> > at the whim of the firmware in terms of whether the SHA-2 banks are
>> > enabled. But even if the SHA-2 banks are enabled, if you suddenly stop
>> > extending the SHA-1 banks, a malicious actor can later turn up and
>> > extend whatever they want into them and present a SHA-1-only
>> > attestation. Ideally whatever is handling that attestation should know
>> > whether or not to expect an attestation with SHA-2, but the easiest way
>> > to maintain security is to always extend all banks.
>> >
>>
>> Wouldn't it make more sense to measure some terminating event into the
>> SHA-1 banks instead?
>
> Unless we assert that SHA-1 events are unsupported, it seems a bit odd
> to force a policy on people who have both banks enabled. People with
> mixed fleets are potentially going to be dealing with SHA-1 measurements
> for a while yet, and while there's obviously a security benefit in using
> SHA-2 instead it'd be irritating to have to maintain two attestation
> policies.
Why?
If you have a mixed fleet then it's not too much asked to provide two
data sets. On a TPM2 system you can enforce SHA-2 and only fallback to
SHA-1 on TPM 1.2 hardware. No?
Thanks,
tglx
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2023-05-04 14:50 [PATCH v6 00/14] x86: Trenchboot secure dynamic launch Linux kernel support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 01/14] x86/boot: Place kernel_info at a fixed offset Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 02/14] Documentation/x86: Secure Launch kernel documentation Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:19 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:19 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:32 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:32 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-06 8:48 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-06 8:48 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-10 15:41 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 15:41 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 10:47 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 10:47 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 16:44 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 16:44 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 16:54 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 16:54 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 18:21 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 18:21 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-12 13:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 13:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 03/14] x86: Secure Launch Kconfig Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 04/14] x86: Secure Launch Resource Table header file Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:22 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:22 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:34 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:34 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 23:04 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 23:04 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-15 20:58 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 20:58 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-12 10:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 10:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 21:15 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:15 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:22 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 21:22 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16 0:41 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16 0:41 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16 1:43 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16 1:43 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 20:01 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 20:01 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 20:15 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 20:15 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-07-07 19:31 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-07-07 19:31 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 05/14] x86: Secure Launch main " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:25 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:25 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:37 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:37 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:10 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:10 ` Ross Philipson
2023-10-31 21:37 ` ross.philipson
2023-10-31 21:37 ` ross.philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 06/14] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:34 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:34 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-09 16:09 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-09 16:09 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-10 1:21 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-10 1:21 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-10 22:28 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:28 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 11:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:18 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:18 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:28 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:28 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:58 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:58 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 12:24 ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-12 12:24 ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-14 18:18 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-14 18:18 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-14 19:11 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-14 19:11 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 13:24 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2023-05-12 13:24 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 16:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 18:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 19:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 19:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 19:42 ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-12 19:42 ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-15 21:23 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:23 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-11 3:33 ` Herbert Xu
2023-05-11 3:33 ` Herbert Xu
2023-05-16 0:50 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16 0:50 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 07/14] x86: Secure Launch kernel early boot stub Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:47 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:47 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:58 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:58 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 19:46 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 19:46 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-12 11:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:17 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:17 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:27 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:27 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16 1:11 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16 1:11 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16 1:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16 1:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-15 18:00 ` Ross Philipson
2023-06-15 18:00 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 18:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:13 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:13 ` Ross Philipson
2023-09-20 21:40 ` ross.philipson
2023-09-20 21:40 ` ross.philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 08/14] x86: Secure Launch kernel late " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:52 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:52 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:59 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:59 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 23:02 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 23:02 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:58 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:58 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-24 2:55 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-24 2:55 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 15:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:06 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:06 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 09/14] x86: Secure Launch SMP bringup support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:54 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:54 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:59 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:59 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:55 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:55 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-11 16:21 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-11 16:21 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 18:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:19 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:19 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 10/14] kexec: Secure Launch kexec SEXIT support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 11/14] reboot: Secure Launch SEXIT support on reboot paths Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:40 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:40 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 18:16 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 18:16 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-16 1:23 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16 1:23 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 12/14] x86: Secure Launch late initcall platform module Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 19:42 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 19:42 ` Simon Horman
2023-05-08 15:07 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-08 15:07 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:39 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:39 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:53 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:53 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:54 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:54 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 13/14] tpm: Allow locality 2 to be set when initializing the TPM for Secure Launch Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:43 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:43 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:22 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:22 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-16 1:37 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16 1:37 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 14/14] x86: EFI stub DRTM launch support " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 8:39 ` [PATCH v6 00/14] x86: Trenchboot secure dynamic launch Linux kernel support Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-05 8:39 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-05 15:45 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 15:45 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-06 7:56 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-06 7:56 ` Bagas Sanjaya
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