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From: Petr Machata <petrm@nvidia.com>
To: Nikolay Aleksandrov <razor@blackwall.org>
Cc: Petr Machata <petrm@nvidia.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com>,
	bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Roopa Prabhu <roopa@nvidia.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 07/16] net: bridge: Maintain number of MDB entries in net_bridge_mcast_port
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 16:02:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r0vcf2w9.fsf@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <81821548-4839-e7ba-37b0-92966beb7930@blackwall.org>


Nikolay Aleksandrov <razor@blackwall.org> writes:

> On 26/01/2023 19:01, Petr Machata wrote:
>> Note that the per-port-VLAN mcast_max_groups value gets reset when VLAN
>> snooping is enabled. The reason for this is that while VLAN snooping is
>> disabled, permanent entries can be added above the limit imposed by the
>> configured maximum. Under those circumstances, whatever caused the VLAN
>> context enablement, would need to be rolled back, adding a fair amount of
>> code that would be rarely hit and tricky to maintain. At the same time,
>> the feature that this would enable is IMHO not interesting: I posit that
>> the usefulness of keeping mcast_max_groups intact across
>> mcast_vlan_snooping toggles is marginal at best.
>> 
>
> Hmm, I keep thinking about this one and I don't completely agree. It
> would be more user-friendly if the max count doesn't get reset when
> mcast snooping is toggled. Imposing order of operations (first enable
> snooping, then config max entries) isn't necessary and it makes sense
> for someone to first set the limit and then enable vlan snooping.

If you are talking about mcast_snooping, that can be disabled while
mcast_vlan_snooping is enabled. So you can configure everything, then
turn snooping on.

If you are talking about configuring max while mcast_vlan_snooping is
off, then I assumed one shouldn't touch the VLAN context if
br_multicast_port_ctx_vlan_disabled(). So we would need to track the n
and max in some other entity than in the multicast context. But maybe
I'm wrong.

> Also it would be consistent with port max entries, I'd prefer if we
> have the same behaviour for port and vlan pmctxs. If we allow to set
> any maximum at any time we don't need to rollback anything, also we
> already always lookup vlans in br_multicast_port_vid_to_port_ctx() to
> check if snooping is enabled so we can keep the count correct
> regardless, the same as it's done for the ports. Keeping both limits
> with consistent semantics seems better to me.

The idea of requiring max >= current felt so natural to me that I didn't
even check what mcast_hash_max was doing. Sure -- let's be consistent.
This will incidentally make all the rollbacks go away, and happily makes
sense WRT locking, too: since the relation between max and n is somewhat
loose, we don't need to worry too much about sequencing inc-/dec-n vs.
set-max.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Petr Machata <petrm@nvidia.com>
To: Nikolay Aleksandrov <razor@blackwall.org>
Cc: Petr Machata <petrm@nvidia.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Roopa Prabhu <roopa@nvidia.com>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	<bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 07/16] net: bridge: Maintain number of MDB entries in net_bridge_mcast_port
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 16:02:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r0vcf2w9.fsf@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <81821548-4839-e7ba-37b0-92966beb7930@blackwall.org>


Nikolay Aleksandrov <razor@blackwall.org> writes:

> On 26/01/2023 19:01, Petr Machata wrote:
>> Note that the per-port-VLAN mcast_max_groups value gets reset when VLAN
>> snooping is enabled. The reason for this is that while VLAN snooping is
>> disabled, permanent entries can be added above the limit imposed by the
>> configured maximum. Under those circumstances, whatever caused the VLAN
>> context enablement, would need to be rolled back, adding a fair amount of
>> code that would be rarely hit and tricky to maintain. At the same time,
>> the feature that this would enable is IMHO not interesting: I posit that
>> the usefulness of keeping mcast_max_groups intact across
>> mcast_vlan_snooping toggles is marginal at best.
>> 
>
> Hmm, I keep thinking about this one and I don't completely agree. It
> would be more user-friendly if the max count doesn't get reset when
> mcast snooping is toggled. Imposing order of operations (first enable
> snooping, then config max entries) isn't necessary and it makes sense
> for someone to first set the limit and then enable vlan snooping.

If you are talking about mcast_snooping, that can be disabled while
mcast_vlan_snooping is enabled. So you can configure everything, then
turn snooping on.

If you are talking about configuring max while mcast_vlan_snooping is
off, then I assumed one shouldn't touch the VLAN context if
br_multicast_port_ctx_vlan_disabled(). So we would need to track the n
and max in some other entity than in the multicast context. But maybe
I'm wrong.

> Also it would be consistent with port max entries, I'd prefer if we
> have the same behaviour for port and vlan pmctxs. If we allow to set
> any maximum at any time we don't need to rollback anything, also we
> already always lookup vlans in br_multicast_port_vid_to_port_ctx() to
> check if snooping is enabled so we can keep the count correct
> regardless, the same as it's done for the ports. Keeping both limits
> with consistent semantics seems better to me.

The idea of requiring max >= current felt so natural to me that I didn't
even check what mcast_hash_max was doing. Sure -- let's be consistent.
This will incidentally make all the rollbacks go away, and happily makes
sense WRT locking, too: since the relation between max and n is somewhat
loose, we don't need to worry too much about sequencing inc-/dec-n vs.
set-max.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-01-30 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-26 17:01 [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 00/16] bridge: Limit number of MDB entries per port, port-vlan Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01 ` Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 01/16] net: bridge: Set strict_start_type at two policies Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-26 19:18   ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2023-01-26 19:18     ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-01-26 20:27     ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 20:27       ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29  9:09   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29  9:09     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 02/16] net: bridge: Add extack to br_multicast_new_port_group() Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29  9:09   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29  9:09     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 03/16] net: bridge: Move extack-setting " Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29  9:09   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29  9:09     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 04/16] net: bridge: Add br_multicast_del_port_group() Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29  9:11   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29  9:11     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 05/16] net: bridge: Change a cleanup in br_multicast_new_port_group() to goto Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29  9:11   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29  9:11     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 06/16] net: bridge: Add a tracepoint for MDB overflows Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:53   ` [Bridge] " Steven Rostedt
2023-01-26 17:53     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-01-27 14:29     ` [Bridge] " Petr Machata
2023-01-27 14:29       ` Petr Machata
2023-01-30 15:50     ` [Bridge] " Petr Machata
2023-01-30 15:50       ` Petr Machata
2023-01-30 23:23       ` [Bridge] " Steven Rostedt
2023-01-30 23:23         ` Steven Rostedt
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 07/16] net: bridge: Maintain number of MDB entries in net_bridge_mcast_port Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29  9:40   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29  9:40     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 16:55   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 16:55     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-30  8:08     ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2023-01-30  8:08       ` Ido Schimmel
2023-01-30  8:56       ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-30  8:56         ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-30 15:02     ` Petr Machata [this message]
2023-01-30 15:02       ` Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 08/16] net: bridge: Add netlink knobs for number / maximum MDB entries Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29 10:07   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 10:07     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 14:58     ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2023-01-29 14:58       ` Ido Schimmel
2023-01-30 11:07     ` [Bridge] " Petr Machata
2023-01-30 11:07       ` Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 09/16] selftests: forwarding: Move IGMP- and MLD-related functions to lib Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29 10:08   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 10:08     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 10/16] selftests: forwarding: bridge_mdb: Fix a typo Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29 10:09   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 10:09     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 11/16] selftests: forwarding: lib: Add helpers for IP address handling Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29 10:09   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 10:09     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 12/16] selftests: forwarding: lib: Add helpers for checksum handling Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29 10:10   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 10:10     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 13/16] selftests: forwarding: lib: Parameterize IGMPv3/MLDv2 generation Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29 10:10   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 10:10     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 14/16] selftests: forwarding: lib: Allow list of IPs for IGMPv3/MLDv2 Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29 10:11   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 10:11     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 15/16] selftests: forwarding: lib: Add helpers to build IGMP/MLD leave packets Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29 10:11   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 10:11     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 17:01 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 16/16] selftests: forwarding: bridge_mdb_max: Add a new selftest Petr Machata
2023-01-26 17:01   ` Petr Machata
2023-01-29 10:12   ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-29 10:12     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 20:28 ` [Bridge] [PATCH net-next 00/16] bridge: Limit number of MDB entries per port, port-vlan Nikolay Aleksandrov
2023-01-26 20:28   ` Nikolay Aleksandrov

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