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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "Kuppuswamy,
	Sathyanarayanan" <sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan <knsathya@kernel.org>,
	"kaplan, david" <david.kaplan@amd.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
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	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
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	"Hetzelt, Felicitas" <f.hetzelt@tu-berlin.de>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	pbonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Kirill Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] virtio_pci: harden MSI-X interrupts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 00:31:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sfy8ds53.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210913164934-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Mon, Sep 13 2021 at 16:54, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 09:38:30PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 13 2021 at 15:07, Jason Wang wrote:
>> > On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 2:50 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>> >> > But doen't "irq is disabled" basically mean "we told the hypervisor
>> >> > to disable the irq"?  What extractly prevents hypervisor from
>> >> > sending the irq even if guest thinks it disabled it?
>> >>
>> >> More generally, can't we for example blow away the
>> >> indir_desc array that we use to keep the ctx pointers?
>> >> Won't that be enough?
>> >
>> > I'm not sure how it is related to the indirect descriptor but an
>> > example is that all the current driver will assume:
>> >
>> > 1) the interrupt won't be raised before virtio_device_ready()
>> > 2) the interrupt won't be raised after reset()
>> 
>> If that assumption exists, then you better keep the interrupt line
>> disabled until virtio_device_ready() has completed
>
> started not completed. device is allowed to send
> config interrupts right after DRIVER_OK status is set by
> virtio_device_ready.

Whatever:

 * Define the exact point from which on the driver is able to handle the
   interrupt and put the enable after that point

 * Define the exact point from which on the driver is unable to handle
   the interrupt and put the disable before that point

The above is blury.

>> and disable it again
>> before reset() is invoked. That's a question of general robustness and
>> not really a question of trusted hypervisors and encrypted guests.
>
> We can do this for some MSIX interrupts, sure. Not for shared interrupts though.

See my reply to the next patch. The problem is the same:

 * Define the exact point from which on the driver is able to handle the
   interrupt and allow the handler to proceed after that point

 * Define the exact point from which on the driver is unable to handle
   the interrupt and ensure that the handler denies to proceed before
   that point

Same story just a different mechanism.

Thanks,

        tglx
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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Hetzelt, Felicitas" <f.hetzelt@tu-berlin.de>,
	"kaplan, david" <david.kaplan@amd.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	pbonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Kuppuswamy,
	Sathyanarayanan"  <sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	James E J Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Peter H Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Kirill Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan <knsathya@kernel.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] virtio_pci: harden MSI-X interrupts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 00:31:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sfy8ds53.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210913164934-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Mon, Sep 13 2021 at 16:54, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 09:38:30PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 13 2021 at 15:07, Jason Wang wrote:
>> > On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 2:50 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>> >> > But doen't "irq is disabled" basically mean "we told the hypervisor
>> >> > to disable the irq"?  What extractly prevents hypervisor from
>> >> > sending the irq even if guest thinks it disabled it?
>> >>
>> >> More generally, can't we for example blow away the
>> >> indir_desc array that we use to keep the ctx pointers?
>> >> Won't that be enough?
>> >
>> > I'm not sure how it is related to the indirect descriptor but an
>> > example is that all the current driver will assume:
>> >
>> > 1) the interrupt won't be raised before virtio_device_ready()
>> > 2) the interrupt won't be raised after reset()
>> 
>> If that assumption exists, then you better keep the interrupt line
>> disabled until virtio_device_ready() has completed
>
> started not completed. device is allowed to send
> config interrupts right after DRIVER_OK status is set by
> virtio_device_ready.

Whatever:

 * Define the exact point from which on the driver is able to handle the
   interrupt and put the enable after that point

 * Define the exact point from which on the driver is unable to handle
   the interrupt and put the disable before that point

The above is blury.

>> and disable it again
>> before reset() is invoked. That's a question of general robustness and
>> not really a question of trusted hypervisors and encrypted guests.
>
> We can do this for some MSIX interrupts, sure. Not for shared interrupts though.

See my reply to the next patch. The problem is the same:

 * Define the exact point from which on the driver is able to handle the
   interrupt and allow the handler to proceed after that point

 * Define the exact point from which on the driver is unable to handle
   the interrupt and ensure that the handler denies to proceed before
   that point

Same story just a different mechanism.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-13 22:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-13  5:53 [PATCH 0/9] More virtio hardening Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53 ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53 ` [PATCH 1/9] virtio-blk: validate num_queues during probe Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53   ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  7:48   ` Stefano Garzarella
2021-09-13  7:48     ` Stefano Garzarella
2021-09-14  2:29     ` Jason Wang
2021-09-14  2:29       ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13 12:05   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-13 12:05     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-13  5:53 ` [PATCH 2/9] virtio: add doc for validate() method Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53   ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53 ` [PATCH 3/9] virtio-console: switch to use .validate() Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53   ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53 ` [PATCH 4/9] virtio_console: validate max_nr_ports before trying to use it Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53   ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53 ` [PATCH 5/9] virtio_config: introduce a new ready method Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53   ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53 ` [PATCH 6/9] virtio_pci: harden MSI-X interrupts Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53   ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:03   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:03     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:08     ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:08       ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:28       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:28         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:34         ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:34           ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:37           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:37             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:43             ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:43               ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  7:01               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  7:01                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  7:15                 ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  7:15                   ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:50             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:50               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  7:07               ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  7:07                 ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13 19:38                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-13 19:38                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-13 20:54                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13 20:54                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13 22:31                     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2021-09-13 22:31                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-14  2:20                       ` Jason Wang
2021-09-14  2:20                         ` Jason Wang
2021-09-14  8:29                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-14  8:29                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-13  5:53 ` [PATCH 7/9] virtio-pci: harden INTX interrupts Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53   ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:33     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:36     ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:36       ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:41       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:41         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:45         ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:45           ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  7:02           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  7:02             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  7:17             ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  7:17               ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13 21:36   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-13 21:36     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-13 22:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13 22:01       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13 22:20       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-13 22:20         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-14  2:50     ` Jason Wang
2021-09-14  2:50       ` Jason Wang
2021-09-14  9:34     ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-14  9:34       ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-14 11:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-14 11:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-14 11:09       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-14 11:09         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-13  5:53 ` [PATCH 8/9] virtio_ring: fix typos in vring_desc_extra Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53   ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53 ` [PATCH 9/9] virtio_ring: validate used buffer length Jason Wang
2021-09-13  5:53   ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:36   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:36     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:40     ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:40       ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  6:57       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  6:57         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  7:13         ` Jason Wang
2021-09-13  7:13           ` Jason Wang
2021-10-05  7:42 ` [PATCH 0/9] More virtio hardening Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-05  7:42   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-11  7:36   ` Jason Wang
2021-10-11  7:36     ` Jason Wang
2021-10-11 12:36     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-11 12:36       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-12  2:43       ` Jason Wang
2021-10-12  2:43         ` Jason Wang
2021-10-12  5:44         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-12  5:44           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-12  6:11           ` Jason Wang
2021-10-12  6:11             ` Jason Wang
2021-10-12  6:35             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-12  6:35               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-12  6:43               ` Jason Wang
2021-10-12  6:43                 ` Jason Wang
2021-10-12  7:03                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-12  7:03                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-12  8:46                   ` Jason Wang
2021-10-12  8:46                     ` Jason Wang

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