From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Krishna Kumar <krkumar2@in.ibm.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
Wang Sheng-Hui <shhuiw@gmail.com>,
Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
lkml - Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 RFC] virtio-pci: flexible configuration layout
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:58:45 +1030 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sjl6tsnm.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111128084009.GB20084@redhat.com>
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:41:51 +0200, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:25:43AM +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > > > But I'm *terrified* of making the spec more complex;
> > >
> > > All you do is move stuff around. Why do you think it simplifies the spec
> > > so much?
> >
> > No, but it reduces the yuk factor. Which has been important to adoption.
>
> Sorry if I'm dense. Could you please clarify: do you think we can live
> with the slightly higher yuk factor assuming the spec moves the
> legacy mode into an appendix as you explain below and driver has a
> single 'legacy' switch?
Yep, it's all a trade-off. A clean slate is good, but if we can make
our lives in transition less painful, I'm all for it.
> I think I see a way to do that in a relatively painless way.
> Do you prefer seeing driver patches or spec? Or are you not interested
> in reusing the same structure at all?
I think we should look at code at this point; my gut says we're going to
be not-quite-similar-enough-to-be-useful. At which point, a clean-slate
approach is more appealing. But the code will show, one way or another.
Thanks,
Rusty.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
lkml - Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
Krishna Kumar <krkumar2@in.ibm.com>,
Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
Wang Sheng-Hui <shhuiw@gmail.com>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 RFC] virtio-pci: flexible configuration layout
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:58:45 +1030 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sjl6tsnm.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111128084009.GB20084@redhat.com>
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:41:51 +0200, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:25:43AM +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > > > But I'm *terrified* of making the spec more complex;
> > >
> > > All you do is move stuff around. Why do you think it simplifies the spec
> > > so much?
> >
> > No, but it reduces the yuk factor. Which has been important to adoption.
>
> Sorry if I'm dense. Could you please clarify: do you think we can live
> with the slightly higher yuk factor assuming the spec moves the
> legacy mode into an appendix as you explain below and driver has a
> single 'legacy' switch?
Yep, it's all a trade-off. A clean slate is good, but if we can make
our lives in transition less painful, I'm all for it.
> I think I see a way to do that in a relatively painless way.
> Do you prefer seeing driver patches or spec? Or are you not interested
> in reusing the same structure at all?
I think we should look at code at this point; my gut says we're going to
be not-quite-similar-enough-to-be-useful. At which point, a clean-slate
approach is more appealing. But the code will show, one way or another.
Thanks,
Rusty.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-29 23:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-22 18:36 [PATCHv3 RFC] virtio-pci: flexible configuration layout Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-22 18:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-23 2:32 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-23 2:32 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-23 8:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-23 8:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-23 15:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-23 15:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-24 0:36 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-24 0:36 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-24 6:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-24 6:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-24 7:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-24 7:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-28 0:55 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-28 0:55 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-28 8:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-28 8:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-29 23:28 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2011-11-29 23:28 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-30 7:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-30 7:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-28 9:15 ` Sasha Levin
2011-11-28 9:15 ` Sasha Levin
2011-11-29 23:40 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-29 23:40 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-30 8:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-30 8:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-30 13:12 ` Sasha Levin
2011-11-30 13:12 ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-01 2:42 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-01 2:42 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-23 8:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-23 8:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-23 9:38 ` Sasha Levin
2011-11-23 9:38 ` Sasha Levin
2011-11-24 1:07 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-24 1:07 ` Rusty Russell
2011-11-23 9:44 ` Sasha Levin
2011-11-23 9:44 ` Sasha Levin
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