selinux userspace wiki

selinux userspace wiki

[Stephen Smalley]

Since I created a Getting Started guide under the selinux-kernel wiki
[1], I also did some refreshing of the selinux userspace wiki [2],
moved the Presentations and Papers sections from the kernel wiki to
the latter, and cross-linked them for easy discovery. However, I had a
few questions about the selinux userspace wiki:

1. The Home page and the Userspace Packages page are at least partly
redundant in their content, and the actual list of userspace packages
modified for SELinux was very out of date (I added a note to that
effect and how to query for a more current/accurate set). Should we
drop one or the other or somehow combine them?

2. The Tools page is likewise quite out of date. Do we want to refresh
it (and if so, does anyone want to do so), or drop it?

Re: selinux userspace wiki

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:03 PM Stephen Smalley
<stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since I created a Getting Started guide under the selinux-kernel wiki
> [1], I also did some refreshing of the selinux userspace wiki [2],
> moved the Presentations and Papers sections from the kernel wiki to
> the latter, and cross-linked them for easy discovery. However, I had a
> few questions about the selinux userspace wiki:
>
> 1. The Home page and the Userspace Packages page are at least partly
> redundant in their content, and the actual list of userspace packages
> modified for SELinux was very out of date (I added a note to that
> effect and how to query for a more current/accurate set). Should we
> drop one or the other or somehow combine them?
>
> 2. The Tools page is likewise quite out of date. Do we want to refresh
> it (and if so, does anyone want to do so), or drop it?

Sorry, forgot to include the links:

[1] https://github.com/selinuxproject/selinux-kernel/wiki
[2] https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki

Re: selinux userspace wiki

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:05 PM Stephen Smalley
<stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:03 PM Stephen Smalley
> <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Since I created a Getting Started guide under the selinux-kernel wiki
> > [1], I also did some refreshing of the selinux userspace wiki [2],
> > moved the Presentations and Papers sections from the kernel wiki to
> > the latter, and cross-linked them for easy discovery. However, I had a
> > few questions about the selinux userspace wiki:
> >
> > 1. The Home page and the Userspace Packages page are at least partly
> > redundant in their content, and the actual list of userspace packages
> > modified for SELinux was very out of date (I added a note to that
> > effect and how to query for a more current/accurate set). Should we
> > drop one or the other or somehow combine them?
> >
> > 2. The Tools page is likewise quite out of date. Do we want to refresh
> > it (and if so, does anyone want to do so), or drop it?
>
> Sorry, forgot to include the links:
>
> [1] https://github.com/selinuxproject/selinux-kernel/wiki
> [2] https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki

I refreshed the Tools page, deleted the custom sidebar that was
(presumably unintentionally) hiding several child pages, and moved the
Other Resources section to its own sub-page,
https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki/Other-Resources
and made further additions to the Presentations and Papers sub-page,
https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki/Presentations-and-Papers

Feel free to suggest others that should be added or if you are a
maintainer, to add them yourself.

Another question about the old content: the Contributing page lists an
IRC channel. Is it still correct and used by maintainers? If not,
should remove or update appropriately.

Re: selinux userspace wiki

[Dominick Grift]

Stephen Smalley <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:05 PM Stephen Smalley
> <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:03 PM Stephen Smalley
>> <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Since I created a Getting Started guide under the selinux-kernel wiki
>> > [1], I also did some refreshing of the selinux userspace wiki [2],
>> > moved the Presentations and Papers sections from the kernel wiki to
>> > the latter, and cross-linked them for easy discovery. However, I had a
>> > few questions about the selinux userspace wiki:
>> >
>> > 1. The Home page and the Userspace Packages page are at least partly
>> > redundant in their content, and the actual list of userspace packages
>> > modified for SELinux was very out of date (I added a note to that
>> > effect and how to query for a more current/accurate set). Should we
>> > drop one or the other or somehow combine them?
>> >
>> > 2. The Tools page is likewise quite out of date. Do we want to refresh
>> > it (and if so, does anyone want to do so), or drop it?
>>
>> Sorry, forgot to include the links:
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/selinuxproject/selinux-kernel/wiki
>> [2] https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki
>
> I refreshed the Tools page, deleted the custom sidebar that was
> (presumably unintentionally) hiding several child pages, and moved the
> Other Resources section to its own sub-page,
> https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki/Other-Resources
> and made further additions to the Presentations and Papers sub-page,
> https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki/Presentations-and-Papers
>
> Feel free to suggest others that should be added or if you are a
> maintainer, to add them yourself.
>
> Another question about the old content: the Contributing page lists an
> IRC channel. Is it still correct and used by maintainers? If not,
> should remove or update appropriately.
>

Yes #selinux on libera.chat is still correct and used by maintainers.

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Re: selinux userspace wiki

[Paul Moore]

On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 4:13 PM Dominick Grift
<dominick.grift@defensec.nl> wrote:
> Stephen Smalley <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:05 PM Stephen Smalley
> > <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:03 PM Stephen Smalley
> >> <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Since I created a Getting Started guide under the selinux-kernel wiki
> >> > [1], I also did some refreshing of the selinux userspace wiki [2],
> >> > moved the Presentations and Papers sections from the kernel wiki to
> >> > the latter, and cross-linked them for easy discovery. However, I had a
> >> > few questions about the selinux userspace wiki:
> >> >
> >> > 1. The Home page and the Userspace Packages page are at least partly
> >> > redundant in their content, and the actual list of userspace packages
> >> > modified for SELinux was very out of date (I added a note to that
> >> > effect and how to query for a more current/accurate set). Should we
> >> > drop one or the other or somehow combine them?
> >> >
> >> > 2. The Tools page is likewise quite out of date. Do we want to refresh
> >> > it (and if so, does anyone want to do so), or drop it?
> >>
> >> Sorry, forgot to include the links:
> >>
> >> [1] https://github.com/selinuxproject/selinux-kernel/wiki
> >> [2] https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki
> >
> > I refreshed the Tools page, deleted the custom sidebar that was
> > (presumably unintentionally) hiding several child pages, and moved the
> > Other Resources section to its own sub-page,
> > https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki/Other-Resources
> > and made further additions to the Presentations and Papers sub-page,
> > https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki/Presentations-and-Papers
> >
> > Feel free to suggest others that should be added or if you are a
> > maintainer, to add them yourself.
> >
> > Another question about the old content: the Contributing page lists an
> > IRC channel. Is it still correct and used by maintainers? If not,
> > should remove or update appropriately.
> >
>
> Yes #selinux on libera.chat is still correct and used by maintainers.

... and I'll add that Dominick has been doing a tremendous job, over
many years, providing help and support over the IRC channel too!

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Re: selinux userspace wiki

[Dominick Grift]

Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> writes:

> On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 4:13 PM Dominick Grift
> <dominick.grift@defensec.nl> wrote:
>> Stephen Smalley <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:05 PM Stephen Smalley
>> > <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:03 PM Stephen Smalley
>> >> <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Since I created a Getting Started guide under the selinux-kernel wiki
>> >> > [1], I also did some refreshing of the selinux userspace wiki [2],
>> >> > moved the Presentations and Papers sections from the kernel wiki to
>> >> > the latter, and cross-linked them for easy discovery. However, I had a
>> >> > few questions about the selinux userspace wiki:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. The Home page and the Userspace Packages page are at least partly
>> >> > redundant in their content, and the actual list of userspace packages
>> >> > modified for SELinux was very out of date (I added a note to that
>> >> > effect and how to query for a more current/accurate set). Should we
>> >> > drop one or the other or somehow combine them?
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. The Tools page is likewise quite out of date. Do we want to refresh
>> >> > it (and if so, does anyone want to do so), or drop it?
>> >>
>> >> Sorry, forgot to include the links:
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://github.com/selinuxproject/selinux-kernel/wiki
>> >> [2] https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki
>> >
>> > I refreshed the Tools page, deleted the custom sidebar that was
>> > (presumably unintentionally) hiding several child pages, and moved the
>> > Other Resources section to its own sub-page,
>> > https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki/Other-Resources
>> > and made further additions to the Presentations and Papers sub-page,
>> > https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki/Presentations-and-Papers
>> >
>> > Feel free to suggest others that should be added or if you are a
>> > maintainer, to add them yourself.
>> >
>> > Another question about the old content: the Contributing page lists an
>> > IRC channel. Is it still correct and used by maintainers? If not,
>> > should remove or update appropriately.
>> >
>>
>> Yes #selinux on libera.chat is still correct and used by maintainers.
>
> ... and I'll add that Dominick has been doing a tremendous job, over
> many years, providing help and support over the IRC channel too!

Thanks for that acknowledgement. I enjoy talking about this matter and
IRC too because its easy to hop onto a channel and start the conversation.

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Re: selinux userspace wiki

[Stephen Smalley]

On Sat, Jun 7, 2025 at 3:08 AM Dominick Grift
<dominick.grift@defensec.nl> wrote:
>
> Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> writes:
>
> > On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 4:13 PM Dominick Grift
> > <dominick.grift@defensec.nl> wrote:
> >> Stephen Smalley <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:05 PM Stephen Smalley
> >> > <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:03 PM Stephen Smalley
> >> >> <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Since I created a Getting Started guide under the selinux-kernel wiki
> >> >> > [1], I also did some refreshing of the selinux userspace wiki [2],
> >> >> > moved the Presentations and Papers sections from the kernel wiki to
> >> >> > the latter, and cross-linked them for easy discovery. However, I had a
> >> >> > few questions about the selinux userspace wiki:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1. The Home page and the Userspace Packages page are at least partly
> >> >> > redundant in their content, and the actual list of userspace packages
> >> >> > modified for SELinux was very out of date (I added a note to that
> >> >> > effect and how to query for a more current/accurate set). Should we
> >> >> > drop one or the other or somehow combine them?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2. The Tools page is likewise quite out of date. Do we want to refresh
> >> >> > it (and if so, does anyone want to do so), or drop it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry, forgot to include the links:
> >> >>
> >> >> [1] https://github.com/selinuxproject/selinux-kernel/wiki
> >> >> [2] https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki
> >> >
> >> > I refreshed the Tools page, deleted the custom sidebar that was
> >> > (presumably unintentionally) hiding several child pages, and moved the
> >> > Other Resources section to its own sub-page,
> >> > https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki/Other-Resources
> >> > and made further additions to the Presentations and Papers sub-page,
> >> > https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux/wiki/Presentations-and-Papers
> >> >
> >> > Feel free to suggest others that should be added or if you are a
> >> > maintainer, to add them yourself.
> >> >
> >> > Another question about the old content: the Contributing page lists an
> >> > IRC channel. Is it still correct and used by maintainers? If not,
> >> > should remove or update appropriately.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes #selinux on libera.chat is still correct and used by maintainers.
> >
> > ... and I'll add that Dominick has been doing a tremendous job, over
> > many years, providing help and support over the IRC channel too!
>
> Thanks for that acknowledgement. I enjoy talking about this matter and
> IRC too because its easy to hop onto a channel and start the conversation.

Yes, thank you for doing so. For anyone else following this thread, I
have made further updates to the SELinux userspace wiki, including
making a complete pass through the Tools and Userspace Packages pages.
Any SELinux maintainers are welcome to make further updates directly
and happy to take suggestions from others.