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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] converting build system to Meson?
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 10:21:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v9zbpvtk.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3246431b-8d6e-f2bc-e0f0-99d80384d97b@redhat.com> (Paolo Bonzini's message of "Wed, 6 Mar 2019 19:12:33 +0100")

Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> writes:

> Hi all,
>
> lately I have been thinking of converting the QEMU build system to
> Meson.  Meson is a relatively new build system that can replace
> Autotools or hand-written Makefiles such as QEMU; as a die-hard
> Autotools fan, I must say that Meson is by far better than anything else
> that has ever tried to replace Autotools, and actually has the potential
> to do so.
>
> Advantages of Meson that directly matter for QEMU include:
>
> - build definitions in a very readable and user friendly DSL, which
> supports looping and conditions.
>
> - ability to introspect the build definitions so that you can find out
> what is built without building it (the DSL is not Turing complete and
> most objects in it are immutable, so it cannot be abused that much :))
>
> - support for a non-recursive build from per-subdirectory input (similar
> to Makefile.objs)

Could Meson build the $(TARGET_DIRS) non-recursively?

I'm asking because I find the make recursion there annoying.  As usual
with recursion, we have to dumb down dependencies: if anything made by
the recursion needs X, then everything does.  If making X fails, we
don't recurse.  Defeats -k.

> - ease of distributing a full copy of Meson to support distros that ship
> an older version (no dependencies apart from Python 3.5).  At 40000
> lines of Python, Meson is relatively small.

[...]

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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <rth@twiddle.net>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] converting build system to Meson?
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 10:21:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v9zbpvtk.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190418082159.KNCw2tELpXVgvtzmym_87-GE5NOz_WhzZeqzt2qyptM@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3246431b-8d6e-f2bc-e0f0-99d80384d97b@redhat.com> (Paolo Bonzini's message of "Wed, 6 Mar 2019 19:12:33 +0100")

Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> writes:

> Hi all,
>
> lately I have been thinking of converting the QEMU build system to
> Meson.  Meson is a relatively new build system that can replace
> Autotools or hand-written Makefiles such as QEMU; as a die-hard
> Autotools fan, I must say that Meson is by far better than anything else
> that has ever tried to replace Autotools, and actually has the potential
> to do so.
>
> Advantages of Meson that directly matter for QEMU include:
>
> - build definitions in a very readable and user friendly DSL, which
> supports looping and conditions.
>
> - ability to introspect the build definitions so that you can find out
> what is built without building it (the DSL is not Turing complete and
> most objects in it are immutable, so it cannot be abused that much :))
>
> - support for a non-recursive build from per-subdirectory input (similar
> to Makefile.objs)

Could Meson build the $(TARGET_DIRS) non-recursively?

I'm asking because I find the make recursion there annoying.  As usual
with recursion, we have to dumb down dependencies: if anything made by
the recursion needs X, then everything does.  If making X fails, we
don't recurse.  Defeats -k.

> - ease of distributing a full copy of Meson to support distros that ship
> an older version (no dependencies apart from Python 3.5).  At 40000
> lines of Python, Meson is relatively small.

[...]


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-18  8:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-06 18:12 [Qemu-devel] converting build system to Meson? Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-06 18:50 ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-03-06 21:08   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-07 10:29   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-07  6:39 ` Thomas Huth
2019-03-07 10:13   ` Peter Maydell
2019-03-07 11:11     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-07 11:29     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-03-07 11:32       ` Peter Maydell
2019-03-07 11:49       ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-03-07 11:33     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-10 14:21       ` Markus Armbruster
2019-03-10 14:33     ` Markus Armbruster
2019-03-11 16:30       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-07 10:18   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-07 10:40   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-07 10:48     ` Peter Maydell
2019-03-07 11:06       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-07 10:49     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-07 10:33 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-03-07 11:54 ` Alex Bennée
2019-03-07 12:56   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-07 13:09     ` Peter Maydell
2019-03-07 13:22       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-07 18:13       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-07 18:17         ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-03-07 18:18           ` Peter Maydell
2019-03-07 18:19             ` Peter Maydell
2019-03-07 19:23             ` BALATON Zoltan
2019-03-07 19:50               ` Eric Blake
2019-03-07 20:28             ` Liviu Ionescu
2019-03-08 12:19             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-07 19:04           ` Eric Blake
2019-03-07 19:24             ` Eric Blake
2019-03-08 12:21               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-07 18:20         ` Alex Bennée
2019-03-08  6:47         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-03-08  6:58           ` Thomas Huth
2019-03-08 10:31           ` Peter Maydell
2019-03-08 11:58             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-03-08 12:03               ` Peter Maydell
2019-03-08 16:17                 ` Eric Blake
2019-03-08 16:26                   ` Peter Maydell
2019-03-08 16:32                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-08 16:36                     ` Peter Maydell
2019-03-11  1:09         ` Neal Gompa
2019-03-07 19:05       ` Cleber Rosa
2019-03-10 16:33         ` Markus Armbruster
2019-03-10 16:28 ` Markus Armbruster
2019-03-11  6:42   ` Thomas Huth
2019-03-11 10:14   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-18  8:21 ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2019-04-18  8:21   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-04-18  8:35   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-04-18  8:35     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-05-27 16:16 ` [Qemu-devel] Status update on Meson features needed by QEMU Paolo Bonzini

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