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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>
Cc: mst@redhat.com,  peterx@redhat.com,  farosas@suse.de,
	raphael@enfabrica.net,  sgarzare@redhat.com,
	marcandre.lureau@redhat.com,  pbonzini@redhat.com,
	 kwolf@redhat.com, hreitz@redhat.com,  berrange@redhat.com,
	 eblake@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	 qemu-block@nongnu.org, steven.sistare@oracle.com,
	 den-plotnikov@yandex-team.ru,
	 Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 24/33] chardev-add: support local migration
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 16:56:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wm634t3v.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250813164856.950363-25-vsementsov@yandex-team.ru> (Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy's message of "Wed, 13 Aug 2025 19:48:45 +0300")

Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru> writes:

> This commit introduces a possibility to migrate open chardev
> socket fd through migration channel without reconnecting.
>
> For this, user should:
>  - enable new migration capability local-char-socket
>  - mark the socket by an option support-local-migration=true
>  - on target add local-incoming=true option to the socket
>
> Motivation for the API:
>
> 1. We don't want to migrate all sockets. For example, QMP-connection is
>    bad candidate, as it is separate on source and target. So, we need
>    @support-local-migration option to mark sockets, which we want to
>    migrate (after this series, we'll want to migrate chardev used to
>    connect with vhost-user-server).
>
> 2. Still, for remote migration, we can't migrate any sockets, so, we
>    need a capability, to enable/disable the whole feature.
>
> 3. And finally, we need a sign for the socket to not open a connection
>    on initialization, but wait for incoming migration. We can't use
>    @support-local-migration option for it, as it may be enabled, but we
>    are in incoming-remote migration. Also, we can't rely on the
>    migration capability, as user is free to setup capabilities before or
>    after chardev creation, and it would be a bad precedent to create
>    relations here.
>
> Signed-off-by: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>

[...]

> diff --git a/qapi/char.json b/qapi/char.json
> index f0a53f742c..5b535c196a 100644
> --- a/qapi/char.json
> +++ b/qapi/char.json
> @@ -280,11 +280,23 @@
>  #     mutually exclusive with @reconnect.
>  #     (default: 0) (Since: 9.2)
>  #
> +# @support-local-migration: The socket open file descriptor will
> +#     migrate if this field is true and local-char-socket migration
> +#     capability enabled (default: false) (Since: 10.2)
> +#
> +# @local-incoming: Do load open file descriptor for the socket
> +#     on incoming migration. May be used only if QEMU is started
> +#     for incoming migration and only together with local-char-socket
> +#     migration capability (default: false) (Since: 10.2)
> +#
>  # Features:
>  #
>  # @deprecated: Member @reconnect is deprecated.  Use @reconnect-ms
>  #     instead.
>  #
> +# @unstable: Members @support-local-migration and @local-incoming
> +#            are experimental
> +#
>  # Since: 1.4
>  ##
>  { 'struct': 'ChardevSocket',
> @@ -298,7 +310,9 @@
>              '*tn3270': 'bool',
>              '*websocket': 'bool',
>              '*reconnect': { 'type': 'int', 'features': [ 'deprecated' ] },
> -            '*reconnect-ms': 'int' },
> +            '*reconnect-ms': 'int',
> +            '*support-local-migration': { 'type': 'bool', 'features': [ 'unstable' ] },
> +            '*local-incoming': { 'type': 'bool', 'features': [ 'unstable' ] } },
>    'base': 'ChardevCommon' }
>  
>  ##
> diff --git a/qapi/migration.json b/qapi/migration.json
> index 2387c21e9c..4f282d168e 100644
> --- a/qapi/migration.json
> +++ b/qapi/migration.json
> @@ -517,6 +517,11 @@
>  #     each RAM page.  Requires a migration URI that supports seeking,
>  #     such as a file.  (since 9.0)
>  #
> +# @local-char-socket: Migrate socket chardevs open file descriptors.
> +#     Only may be used when migration channel is unix socket. Only
> +#     involves socket chardevs with "support-local-migration" option
> +#     enabled.  (since 10.2)
> +#
>  # Features:
>  #
>  # @unstable: Members @x-colo and @x-ignore-shared are experimental.
> @@ -536,7 +541,8 @@
>             { 'name': 'x-ignore-shared', 'features': [ 'unstable' ] },
>             'validate-uuid', 'background-snapshot',
>             'zero-copy-send', 'postcopy-preempt', 'switchover-ack',
> -           'dirty-limit', 'mapped-ram'] }
> +           'dirty-limit', 'mapped-ram',
> +           { 'name': 'local-char-socket', 'features': [ 'unstable' ] } ] }
>  
>  ##
>  # @MigrationCapabilityStatus:

I understand why we need a knob to enable the feature.  A
MigrationCapability looks fine to me.  We could perhaps come up with a
better name, but let's leave that for later.

I'm unsure about making users mark the sockets (really: the sockets
wrapped in a character device backend) to be migrated that way.

Which sockets are users supposed to mark, and how would they know?

What happens when a user marks the QMP socket?  You called that a "bad
candidate".

Doesn't feel like good user interface design.

Could QEMU decide (in principle) which sockets are suitable for
sending down the migration channel?

If yes, could we make it do the right thing automatically?  Or at least
a check that stops the user from doing the wrong thing?

[...]



  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-12 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-13 16:48 [PATCH 00/33] vhost-user-blk: live-backend local migration Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 01/33] vhost: introduce vhost_ops->vhost_set_vring_enable_supported method Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 18:56   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 19:25     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 02/33] vhost: drop backend_features field Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-09-12 14:39   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-09 18:57   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 03/33] vhost-user: introduce vhost_user_has_prot() helper Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 18:57   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 04/33] vhost: move protocol_features to vhost_user Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 18:57   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 19:35     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:45       ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 05/33] vhost-user-gpu: drop code duplication Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-18  6:54   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-10-09 18:58   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 06/33] vhost: make vhost_dev.features private Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 18:58   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 19:40     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 07/33] virtio: move common part of _set_guest_notifier to generic code Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-14  4:53   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-08-14 11:15     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 08/33] virtio: drop *_set_guest_notifier_fd_handler() helpers Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 09/33] vhost-user: keep QIOChannelSocket for backend channel Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 18:58   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 10/33] vhost: vhost_virtqueue_start(): fix failure path Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:00   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 11/33] vhost: make vhost_memory_unmap() null-safe Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:00   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:00     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-11 19:10       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 12/33] vhost: simplify calls to vhost_memory_unmap() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:00   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 13/33] vhost: move vrings mapping to the top of vhost_virtqueue_start() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:01   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 14/33] vhost: vhost_virtqueue_start(): drop extra local variables Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:02   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 15/33] vhost: final refactoring of vhost vrings map/unmap Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:02   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 16/33] vhost: simplify vhost_dev_init() error-path Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:04   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 17/33] vhost: move busyloop timeout initialization to vhost_virtqueue_init() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:04   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 18/33] vhost: introduce check_memslots() helper Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:06   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 19/33] vhost: vhost_dev_init(): drop extra features variable Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:06   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:15     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 20/33] hw/virtio/virtio-bus: refactor virtio_bus_set_host_notifier() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-14  6:00   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-10-09 19:07   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 21/33] vhost-user: make trace events more readable Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-14  5:59   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-10-09 19:07   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 22/33] vhost-user-blk: add some useful trace-points Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-14  4:58   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-08-14 11:14     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:07   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:19     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 23/33] vhost: " Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:08   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:20     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 24/33] chardev-add: support local migration Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-09-12 14:56   ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2025-09-12 15:04     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-09-12 15:24     ` Steven Sistare
2025-09-15 13:28       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 25/33] virtio: introduce .skip_vhost_migration_log() handler Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:08   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 26/33] io/channel-socket: introduce qio_channel_socket_keep_nonblock() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-20 13:27   ` Peter Xu
2025-08-20 13:43     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-08-20 14:37       ` Peter Xu
2025-08-20 14:42         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-08-21 12:07       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-21 13:45         ` Peter Xu
2025-08-21 14:11           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-08-20 13:37   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-08-21 12:08     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 27/33] migration/socket: keep fds non-block Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-20 13:30   ` Peter Xu
2025-08-21 12:15     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-21 13:49       ` Peter Xu
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 28/33] vhost: introduce backend migration Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:09   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:51     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 29/33] vhost-user: support " Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:09   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:54     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 30/33] virtio: support vhost " Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:09   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:59     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 31/33] vhost-user-blk: " Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:09   ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 21:14     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 23:43       ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-10  6:27         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-13 21:50           ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-14 11:59             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 32/33] test/functional: exec_command_and_wait_for_pattern: add vm arg Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-14  5:01   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-08-18  6:55   ` Thomas Huth
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 33/33] tests/functional: add test_x86_64_vhost_user_blk_fd_migration.py Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:16 ` [PATCH 00/33] vhost-user-blk: live-backend local migration Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 22:43   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 23:28     ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-10  8:47       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-13 21:41         ` Raphael Norwitz

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