From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
To: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: Ivan Vecera <ivecera@redhat.com>, Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com>,
Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Vadym Kochan <vkochan@marvell.com>,
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Ioana Ciornei <ioana.ciornei@nxp.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, UNGLinuxDriver@microchip.com,
Taras Chornyi <tchornyi@marvell.com>,
Ido Schimmel <idosch@idosch.org>,
Claudiu Manoil <claudiu.manoil@nxp.com>,
Nikolay Aleksandrov <nikolay@nvidia.com>,
Roopa Prabhu <roopa@nvidia.com>,
linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 04/11] net: dsa: configure proper brport flags when ports leave the bridge
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:16:31 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <90e52ca0-e068-9a9e-9310-51e4dcd4ab09@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210210091445.741269-5-olteanv@gmail.com>
On 2/10/2021 1:14 AM, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> From: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
>
> For a DSA switch port operating in standalone mode, address learning
> doesn't make much sense since that is a bridge function. In fact,
> address learning even breaks setups such as this one:
>
> +---------------------------------------------+
> | |
> | +-------------------+ |
> | | br0 | send receive |
> | +--------+-+--------+ +--------+ +--------+ |
> | | | | | | | | | |
> | | swp0 | | swp1 | | swp2 | | swp3 | |
> | | | | | | | | | |
> +-+--------+-+--------+-+--------+-+--------+-+
> | ^ | ^
> | | | |
> | +-----------+ |
> | |
> +--------------------------------+
>
> because if the switch has a single FDB (can offload a single bridge)
> then source address learning on swp3 can "steal" the source MAC address
> of swp2 from br0's FDB, because learning frames coming from swp2 will be
> done twice: first on the swp1 ingress port, second on the swp3 ingress
> port. So the hardware FDB will become out of sync with the software
> bridge, and when swp2 tries to send one more packet towards swp1, the
> ASIC will attempt to short-circuit the forwarding path and send it
> directly to swp3 (since that's the last port it learned that address on),
> which it obviously can't, because swp3 operates in standalone mode.
>
> So DSA drivers operating in standalone mode should still configure a
> list of bridge port flags even when they are standalone. Currently DSA
> attempts to call dsa_port_bridge_flags with 0, which disables egress
> flooding of unknown unicast and multicast, something which doesn't make
> much sense. For the switches that implement .port_egress_floods - b53
> and mv88e6xxx, it probably doesn't matter too much either, since they
> can possibly inject traffic from the CPU into a standalone port,
> regardless of MAC DA, even if egress flooding is turned off for that
> port, but certainly not all DSA switches can do that - sja1105, for
> example, can't. So it makes sense to use a better common default there,
> such as "flood everything".
>
> It should also be noted that what DSA calls "dsa_port_bridge_flags()"
> is a degenerate name for just calling .port_egress_floods(), since
> nothing else is implemented - not learning, in particular. But disabling
> address learning, something that this driver is also coding up for, will
> be supported by individual drivers once .port_egress_floods is replaced
> with a more generic .port_bridge_flags.
>
> Previous attempts to code up this logic have been in the common bridge
> layer, but as pointed out by Ido Schimmel, there are corner cases that
> are missed when doing that:
> https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/netdevbpf/patch/20210209151936.97382-5-olteanv@gmail.com/
>
> So, at least for now, let's leave DSA in charge of setting port flags
> before and after the bridge join and leave.
>
> Signed-off-by: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
Reviewed-by: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
--
Florian
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
To: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Roopa Prabhu <roopa@nvidia.com>,
Nikolay Aleksandrov <nikolay@nvidia.com>,
Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Ido Schimmel <idosch@idosch.org>,
Claudiu Manoil <claudiu.manoil@nxp.com>,
Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
UNGLinuxDriver@microchip.com, Vadym Kochan <vkochan@marvell.com>,
Taras Chornyi <tchornyi@marvell.com>,
Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com>,
Ioana Ciornei <ioana.ciornei@nxp.com>,
Ivan Vecera <ivecera@redhat.com>,
linux-omap@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 net-next 04/11] net: dsa: configure proper brport flags when ports leave the bridge
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:16:31 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <90e52ca0-e068-9a9e-9310-51e4dcd4ab09@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210210091445.741269-5-olteanv@gmail.com>
On 2/10/2021 1:14 AM, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> From: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
>
> For a DSA switch port operating in standalone mode, address learning
> doesn't make much sense since that is a bridge function. In fact,
> address learning even breaks setups such as this one:
>
> +---------------------------------------------+
> | |
> | +-------------------+ |
> | | br0 | send receive |
> | +--------+-+--------+ +--------+ +--------+ |
> | | | | | | | | | |
> | | swp0 | | swp1 | | swp2 | | swp3 | |
> | | | | | | | | | |
> +-+--------+-+--------+-+--------+-+--------+-+
> | ^ | ^
> | | | |
> | +-----------+ |
> | |
> +--------------------------------+
>
> because if the switch has a single FDB (can offload a single bridge)
> then source address learning on swp3 can "steal" the source MAC address
> of swp2 from br0's FDB, because learning frames coming from swp2 will be
> done twice: first on the swp1 ingress port, second on the swp3 ingress
> port. So the hardware FDB will become out of sync with the software
> bridge, and when swp2 tries to send one more packet towards swp1, the
> ASIC will attempt to short-circuit the forwarding path and send it
> directly to swp3 (since that's the last port it learned that address on),
> which it obviously can't, because swp3 operates in standalone mode.
>
> So DSA drivers operating in standalone mode should still configure a
> list of bridge port flags even when they are standalone. Currently DSA
> attempts to call dsa_port_bridge_flags with 0, which disables egress
> flooding of unknown unicast and multicast, something which doesn't make
> much sense. For the switches that implement .port_egress_floods - b53
> and mv88e6xxx, it probably doesn't matter too much either, since they
> can possibly inject traffic from the CPU into a standalone port,
> regardless of MAC DA, even if egress flooding is turned off for that
> port, but certainly not all DSA switches can do that - sja1105, for
> example, can't. So it makes sense to use a better common default there,
> such as "flood everything".
>
> It should also be noted that what DSA calls "dsa_port_bridge_flags()"
> is a degenerate name for just calling .port_egress_floods(), since
> nothing else is implemented - not learning, in particular. But disabling
> address learning, something that this driver is also coding up for, will
> be supported by individual drivers once .port_egress_floods is replaced
> with a more generic .port_bridge_flags.
>
> Previous attempts to code up this logic have been in the common bridge
> layer, but as pointed out by Ido Schimmel, there are corner cases that
> are missed when doing that:
> https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/netdevbpf/patch/20210209151936.97382-5-olteanv@gmail.com/
>
> So, at least for now, let's leave DSA in charge of setting port flags
> before and after the bridge join and leave.
>
> Signed-off-by: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
Reviewed-by: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
--
Florian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-11 4:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-02-10 9:14 [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 00/11] Cleanup in brport flags switchdev offload for DSA Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 01/11] net: switchdev: propagate extack to port attributes Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-11 4:12 ` [Bridge] " Florian Fainelli
2021-02-11 4:12 ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 02/11] net: bridge: offload all port flags at once in br_setport Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 03/11] net: bridge: don't print in br_switchdev_set_port_flag Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 04/11] net: dsa: configure proper brport flags when ports leave the bridge Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-11 4:16 ` Florian Fainelli [this message]
2021-02-11 4:16 ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 05/11] net: squash switchdev attributes PRE_BRIDGE_FLAGS and BRIDGE_FLAGS Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 06/11] net: dsa: kill .port_egress_floods overengineering Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-11 4:18 ` [Bridge] " Florian Fainelli
2021-02-11 4:18 ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 07/11] net: prep switchdev drivers for concurrent SWITCHDEV_ATTR_ID_PORT_BRIDGE_FLAGS Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 10:12 ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2021-02-10 10:12 ` Ido Schimmel
2021-02-10 10:23 ` [Bridge] " Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 10:23 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 23:34 ` [Bridge] " David Miller
2021-02-10 23:34 ` David Miller
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 08/11] net: bridge: put SWITCHDEV_ATTR_ID_PORT_BRIDGE_FLAGS on the blocking call chain Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 10:14 ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-02-10 10:14 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 09/11] net: mscc: ocelot: use separate flooding PGID for broadcast Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-11 4:19 ` [Bridge] " Florian Fainelli
2021-02-11 4:19 ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 10/11] net: mscc: ocelot: offload bridge port flags to device Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-11 4:20 ` [Bridge] " Florian Fainelli
2021-02-11 4:20 ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-10 9:14 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 11/11] net: dsa: sja1105: " Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 9:14 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 10:31 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v3 net-next 00/11] Cleanup in brport flags switchdev offload for DSA Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-02-10 10:31 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-02-10 10:45 ` [Bridge] " Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 10:45 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 10:52 ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-02-10 10:52 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-02-10 11:01 ` [Bridge] " Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 11:01 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 11:05 ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-02-10 11:05 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-02-10 12:01 ` [Bridge] " Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 12:01 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 12:10 ` [Bridge] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-02-10 12:10 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-02-10 12:21 ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2021-02-10 12:21 ` Ido Schimmel
2021-02-10 12:29 ` [Bridge] " Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 12:29 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 12:38 ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2021-02-10 12:38 ` Ido Schimmel
2021-02-10 12:55 ` [Bridge] " Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 12:55 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-02-10 12:59 ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2021-02-10 12:59 ` Ido Schimmel
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