IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

[Ian Pratt]

Folks,

I've talked about it a number of times, but now we're actually going to
do it: we want to move the mailing lists off sourceforge and onto one of
our own servers, so hopefully we can get messages delivered with
reasonable delay and in-order. The reordering problems that sourceforge
was suffering last week have been the final straw.

As well as moving the list server we'd like to create a new list
"xen-users", thus we'd have 4 lists in total:

  xen-devel     : for discussion about Xen development, and real bug
reports
  xen-users     : for questions about configuring and running Xen
  xen-announce  : a low volume list to announce new releases 
  xen-changelog : automated list that posts notifications of checkins

The new list server is now open for subscriptions, but won't be sending
out email until the 'flag day' on Mon 28 March, when we'll close down
the old list so it bounces anything that's posted to it. 

I'm sorry there's no transparent way of moving everyone over, but
without knowing everyone's subscription password that's not possible.

The new list server subscription page is at http://lists.xensource.com/
There's also a searchable archive of xen-devel available at the same
location, and also a link to a Xen source code browser
http://lxr.xensource.com. There'll be a wiki and bug tracker going live
in a few days too, once we've had a chance to preload some content. As
you'd expect, all these services are running in their own VMs on Xen :-)

Thanks go to James Bulpin for setting up and running all the new project
infrastructure. 

Best,
Ian





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Re: [Xen-announce] IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

[Eric S. Johansson]

Ian Pratt wrote:
> I'm sorry there's no transparent way of moving everyone over, but
> without knowing everyone's subscription password that's not possible.

actually, if you are willing to let mailman choose the user passwords, 
you can bulk subscribe users assuming you have the subscription list. 
It's not too ugly and users can always change their passwords if they wish.

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Re: [Xen-announce] IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

[Rik van Riel]

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
> Ian Pratt wrote:
> > I'm sorry there's no transparent way of moving everyone over, but
> > without knowing everyone's subscription password that's not possible.
> 
> actually, if you are willing to let mailman choose the user passwords, 
> you can bulk subscribe users assuming you have the subscription list. 
> It's not too ugly and users can always change their passwords if they 
> wish.

Thing is, the current xen-devel mailing list is effectively
split into xen-devel and xen-users.  AFAIK there's no
automatic way of figuring out who wants to be on which list.

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Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan


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Re: [Xen-announce] IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

[Michael Rice]

> Thing is, the current xen-devel mailing list is effectively
> split into xen-devel and xen-users.  AFAIK there's no
> automatic way of figuring out who wants to be on which list.

Subscribe everyone to both lists.  It's sufficient because one can
easily unsub from either list at any time.  

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Re: [Xen-announce] IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

[Anthony Liguori]

Michael Rice wrote:

>Subscribe everyone to both lists.  It's sufficient because one can
>easily unsub from either list at any time.
>  
>
I just subscribed to the new lists.  It was completely painless and took 
less than 30 seconds.  Not sure that doing a bulk subscribe and then 
asking folks to unsubscribe is really worth it.

Regards,
Anthony Liguori


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Re: [Xen-announce] IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

[Jerone Young]

FYI: It seems as thought the gmail spam filters are picking up
confirmation notices as spam.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:41:25 -0600, Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Michael Rice wrote:
> 
> >Subscribe everyone to both lists.  It's sufficient because one can
> >easily unsub from either list at any time.
> >
> >
> I just subscribed to the new lists.  It was completely painless and took
> less than 30 seconds.  Not sure that doing a bulk subscribe and then
> asking folks to unsubscribe is really worth it.
> 
> Regards,
> Anthony Liguori
> 
> 
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Re: [Xen-announce] IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

[Bastian Blank]

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:02:06AM -0600, Jerone Young wrote:
> FYI: It seems as thought the gmail spam filters are picking up
> confirmation notices as spam.

Thats quiet clear:

| Content analysis details:   (5.1 points, 5.0 required)
| 
|  pts rule name              description
| ---- ---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
|  0.0 NO_REAL_NAME           From: does not include a real name
|  1.9 BAYES_99               BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100%
|                             [score: 1.0000]
|  3.2 URIBL_OB_SURBL         Contains an URL listed in the OB SURBL blocklist
|                             [URIs: xensource.com]

Bastian

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Re: [Xen-announce] IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

[Nivedita Singhvi]

Anthony Liguori wrote:

> Michael Rice wrote:
> 
>> Subscribe everyone to both lists.  It's sufficient because one can
>> easily unsub from either list at any time.
>>  
>>
> I just subscribed to the new lists.  It was completely painless and took 
> less than 30 seconds.  Not sure that doing a bulk subscribe and then 
> asking folks to unsubscribe is really worth it.

Yep, it was as fast as unsubscribing - very painless.
Thanks to the Xensource Team.

The only suggestion I have is to make the default
"no" for the option of wanting copies of the email
to the list when you are already on the To: or Cc:
lists. Not sure why anyone would want the duplicates.
It's nice to be able to finally turn it off.

thanks,
Nivedita



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Re: [Xen-announce] IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

[James Bulpin]

On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 09:48 -0800, Nivedita Singhvi wrote:
> The only suggestion I have is to make the default
> "no" for the option of wanting copies of the email
> to the list when you are already on the To: or Cc:
> lists. Not sure why anyone would want the duplicates.
> It's nice to be able to finally turn it off.

Thanks for the suggestion. I've had suggestions for both "yes" and "no"
as defaults. If others have strong feelings for either then please
contact me directly. (Note that this is user configurable option - we
are just discussing what the default should be.)

James



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Re: [Xen-announce] IMPORTANT: mailing lists moving

[Rik van Riel]

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, James Bulpin wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion. I've had suggestions for both "yes" and "no"
> as defaults. If others have strong feelings for either then please
> contact me directly. (Note that this is user configurable option - we
> are just discussing what the default should be.)

I would like to get the copies, so threading in my mail
folder works right.

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Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan


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