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From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Oliver Mangold" <oliver.mangold@pm.me>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Asahi Lina" <lina@asahilina.net>
Cc: <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 1/5] rust: types: Add Ownable/Owned types
Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 11:32:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D9VS2Q4IX7LH.3JLXQUMWYJ2FP@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250502-unique-ref-v10-1-25de64c0307f@pm.me>

On Fri May 2, 2025 at 11:02 AM CEST, Oliver Mangold wrote:
> +/// Types that may be owned by Rust code or borrowed, but have a lifetime managed by C code.
> +///
> +/// It allows such types to define their own custom destructor function to be called when
> +/// a Rust-owned reference is dropped.
> +///
> +/// This is usually implemented by wrappers to existing structures on the C side of the code.

The docs should mention `AlwaysRefCounted` and when to use it instead of
this trait. We should probably also backlink from `AlwaysRefCounted` to
`Ownable`.

> +///
> +/// # Safety
> +///
> +/// Implementers must ensure that:
> +/// - Any objects owned by Rust as [`Owned<T>`] stay alive while that owned reference exists (i.e.
> +///   until the [`release()`](Ownable::release) trait method is called).

I don't immediately understand what this means. How about "Any value of
type `Self` needs to be stored as [`Owned<Self>`]."? And then ask in
`Owned::from_raw` for a pointer that is valid indefinitely (or at least
until `release` is called).

> +/// - That the C code follows the usual mutable reference requirements. That is, the kernel will
> +///   never mutate the [`Ownable`] (excluding internal mutability that follows the usual rules)
> +///   while Rust owns it.

I feel like this requirement is better put on the `Owned::from_raw`
function.

> +pub unsafe trait Ownable {
> +    /// Releases the object (frees it or returns it to foreign ownership).
> +    ///
> +    /// # Safety
> +    ///
> +    /// Callers must ensure that the object is no longer referenced after this call.
> +    unsafe fn release(this: NonNull<Self>);
> +}
> +
> +/// A subtrait of Ownable that asserts that an [`Owned<T>`] or `&mut Owned<T>` Rust reference
> +/// may be dereferenced into a `&mut T`.

The "A subtrait of Ownable that asserts" sounds a bit clumsy to me, how
about "Type where [`Owned<Self>`] derefs to `&mut Self`."?

> +///
> +/// # Safety
> +///
> +/// Implementers must ensure that access to a `&mut T` is safe, implying that it is okay to call
> +/// [`core::mem::swap`] on the `Ownable`. This excludes pinned types (meaning: most kernel types).

I don't like that we put this requirement here, since it's actually
something that should be asserted by `Owned::from_raw`.
The reason for that is that anyone can call `Owned::from_raw` with a
pointer pointing to `Self` and there is no safety requirement on that
function that ensures the correctness of the `DerefMut` impl.

> +pub unsafe trait OwnableMut: Ownable {}

I don't like the name, but at the same time I also have no good
suggestion :( I'll think some more about it.

---
Cheers,
Benno

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-05-14  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-02  9:02 [PATCH v10 0/5] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02  9:02 ` [PATCH v10 1/5] rust: types: Add Ownable/Owned types Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02  9:57   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-16 11:43     ` Oliver Mangold
2025-06-17 11:42       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-02 11:29   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-06 11:20     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-07  6:20       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-08 12:24   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-14  9:32   ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-06-17  9:58     ` Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 21:22       ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-20  7:01         ` Oliver Mangold
2025-06-20  8:09           ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-18  9:34     ` Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 21:19       ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-19  9:33         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-19 12:18           ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-02  9:02 ` [PATCH v10 2/5] rust: Rename AlwaysRefCounted to RefCounted Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 10:10   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-02 11:32   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-16 11:56     ` Oliver Mangold
2025-06-16 12:13       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-02  9:02 ` [PATCH v10 3/5] rust: Add missing SAFETY documentation for ARef example Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 10:41   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-02 11:12     ` Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 12:01       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-02  9:02 ` [PATCH v10 4/5] rust: kbuild: provide `RUSTC_HAS_DO_NOT_RECOMMEND` symbol Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02  9:03 ` [PATCH v10 5/5] rust: Add OwnableRefCounted and SimpleOwnableRefCounted Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 11:43   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-06 11:42     ` Oliver Mangold
2025-05-07  6:19       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-13 13:10 ` [PATCH v10 0/5] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-13 13:27   ` Oliver Mangold

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