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From: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>
To: stoffel@lucent.com
Cc: matthias.andree@stud.uni-dortmund.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Backups done right (was [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:28:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17VZgR-0000Mt-00@hofmann> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <15668.39927.923118.516621@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

stoffel@lucent.com wrote:

>   1. lock application(s), flush any outstanding transactions.
>   2. lock filesystems, flush any outstanding transactions.
>   3a. lock mirrored volume, flush any outstanding transactions, break
>       mirror.
>   3b. snapshot filesystem to another volume.

Or, to avoid the penalty of locking everything and bringing it down
and stuff:

  1. set a flag.

  2. start backing up blocks (read them raw of course, don't want to load
     those stressed higher level systems)

  3. If something wants to write to a block, quickly back up the old
     contents of the block before you write the new contents.  Unless of
     course you've already backed up that block.

Of course, step 3 does place a bit more unschedulable load on the
disk.  Heck, when the backups have just started, you're doubling the
latency of the devices.  You can avoid this with a transaction
journal; in fact, the cockier RDBMSes out there (eg, DMSII) don't even
bother to do this and assume that your transaction journal is on a
mirrored device - and hence there's no point in backing up the old
data, you just want to do one sweep of the disk - and replay the
journal to get current.

(note: implicit assumption: you're dealing with applications using
synchronous I/O, where it needs to be written to all mirrors before
it's trusted to be stored)

Ah, moot points - the Linux MD/LVM drivers are far too unsophisticated
to have journal devices ;-)
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-07-19 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-12 16:21 [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks Dax Kelson
2002-07-12 17:05 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-12 17:26   ` kwijibo
2002-07-12 17:36     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-12 20:34 ` Chris Mason
2002-07-13  4:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-14 20:40 ` Dax Kelson
2002-07-15  8:26   ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-15 12:30     ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 12:02       ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-15 13:23         ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 13:40           ` Chris Mason
2002-07-15 19:40             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-15 15:12         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-15 16:03         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-15 16:12           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-15 17:48           ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-15 18:47             ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-15 19:26               ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-16  8:18               ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 12:22                 ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-16 12:49                   ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 15:11                     ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-16 15:22                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-16 15:39                       ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 19:45                         ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 20:04                           ` Shawn
2002-07-16 20:11                             ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-16 20:22                               ` Shawn
2002-07-16 20:27                                 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-17 11:45                                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-17 19:02                                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-18  9:29                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-19  8:29                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-19 16:39                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-19 20:01                                         ` Shawn
2002-07-19 20:47                                           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-15 21:14             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-17 18:41               ` bill davidsen
2002-07-17 19:47                 ` [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks (whither dump?) Lew Wolfgang
2002-07-16  8:15             ` [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 12:27               ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 12:43                 ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 12:53                   ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 13:05                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-16 19:38                       ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 19:49                         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-16 20:11                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 21:06                           ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 21:23                             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-16 21:38                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-17 11:47                               ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-18 14:50                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-18 15:09                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-16 22:19                             ` Backups done right (was [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks) stoffel
2002-07-16 22:33                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-18 15:04                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-18 15:27                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-18 15:50                                 ` stoffel
2002-07-18 16:29                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-19 15:28                               ` Sam Vilain [this message]
2002-07-17 18:51                     ` [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks bill davidsen
2002-07-18  9:32                       ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 12:09       ` Matti Aarnio

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