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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.name>,
	Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
	kaos@ocs.com.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Raceless module interface
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 05:32:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17pKiX-0007bp-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020912030933.A13608@kushida.apsleyroad.org>

On Thursday 12 September 2002 04:09, Jamie Lokier wrote:
>    1. Just before a module's cleanup_module() function is called, mark
>       the module as "unloading".  This should force
>       try_inc_mod_use_count() to fail, causing its caller to behave like
>       the associated resource (e.g. filesystem) isn't actually
>       registered, and to call request_module().

My proposal produces the same effect using a slightly different
arrangement: module_cleanup() is called, and the first thing it
does is bail out with an error if there are users, or puts the
module into the inactive state (count=-1).  This forces
try_inc_mod_use_count to fail, as you say.

>    2. request_module() should simply ignore modules marked as
>       "unloading".  It should proceed to call "insmod" etc.
> 
>    3. sys_create_module() or sys_init_module() should block if there is
>       a module of the same name currently in the "unloading" state.
>       They should block until that module's cleanup_module() returns.

OK, this is a really good example of why replacing the lock_kernel
with a dedicated module_sem is good: if we do that, the right thing
happens.  Insmod will block on the module_sem until the module is
completely unloaded and removed from the list.  By the time it gets
the semaphore, everything will be in a pristine state.

The BKL on the other hand will happily relinquish control if the
cleanup sleeps, messing things up nicely.

>    4. At this point, the new instance of the module will initialise,
>       request_module() calls will return and the callers which called
>       try_inc_mod_use_count() in step 1 will continue with the resource
>       they needed.

Yes, I don't see a problem.  The problems start when you try to
shortcut this cycle.  Given that a shortcut is hardly going to save
much at all, due to caching, I'd call it a waste of effort.

-- 
Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-09-12  3:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-04 18:02 Question about pseudo filesystems Jamie Lokier
2002-09-07 12:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-07 13:36   ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-07 18:27     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-07 19:47       ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-08  2:21         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-08  2:43           ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-15  1:41             ` Moving a mount point (was Re: Question about pseudo filesystems) Rob Landley
2002-09-08 16:00           ` Question about pseudo filesystems Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 19:48             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-09 20:06               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  0:44                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  1:40                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  1:56                     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  2:53                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  3:26                         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  3:47                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  9:15                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10 10:17                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-11 18:35                       ` [RFC] Raceless module interface Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 18:53                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-11 19:20                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 20:29                             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-11 21:15                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 21:26                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-11 21:47                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  1:42                                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  2:09                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-12  3:13                                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  3:47                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  3:53                                             ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-12  4:11                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  4:40                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  5:27                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12 14:46                                                   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-09-13  0:39                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  2:23                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  5:35                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  4:52                                             ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  5:58                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  7:00                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  8:18                                           ` Helge Hafting
2002-09-12  3:32                                         ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-09-12  1:31                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  9:10                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-12 11:27                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-12 13:03                           ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12 13:44                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13  1:30                               ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  2:19                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13  6:51                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13 13:34                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 13:52                                       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 14:09                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 14:33                                           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 14:44                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 14:59                                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 15:17                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:27                                                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 15:37                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  2:17                                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-16 16:13                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 16:36                                         ` Understanding the Principles of Argumentation #3 Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 16:42                                           ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-09-16 17:29                                           ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-16 22:31                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-01 14:13                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-01 14:27                                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-13 15:59                                     ` [RFC] Raceless module interface Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13  3:14                                 ` David Gibson
2002-09-13 10:35                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 13:53                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:13                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 15:30                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:55                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 16:09                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 16:39                                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 17:12                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  0:24                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-16  1:49                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-16 21:36                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-16 21:48                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 22:44                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-11 15:28                 ` Question about pseudo filesystems Bill Davidsen
2002-09-11 19:36                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 20:12               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 22:56                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  1:39                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-09 20:18               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  6:48                 ` Kai Henningsen

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