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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Jiaxi Chen <jiaxi.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, x86@kernel.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, ndesaulniers@google.com,
	alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	jpoimboe@kernel.org, chang.seok.bae@intel.com,
	pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com, babu.moger@amd.com,
	jmattson@google.com, sandipan.das@amd.com, tony.luck@intel.com,
	sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com, fenghua.yu@intel.com,
	keescook@chromium.org, nathan@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/6] x86: KVM: Advertise CMPccXADD CPUID to user space
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 17:28:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y3u1Rx/kFjE5/FFR@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y3ue4PoJD7EGC5dV@zn.tnic>

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 03:48:06PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Actually, for these features that don't require additional KVM enabling, KVM isn't
> > making the feature avaiable to the guest.  KVM is just advertising to userspace
> > that KVM "supports" these features.  Userspace ultimately controls guest CPUID;
> > outside of a few special cases, KVM neither rejects nor filters unsupported bits
> > in CPUID.
> 
> So is there any point to those "enable it in KVM" patches streaming constantly?

Yes.  Most userspace VMMs sanitize their CPUID models based on KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID,
e.g. by default, QEMU will refuse to enable features in guest CPUID that aren't
reported as supported by KVM.

Another use case is for userspace to blindly use the result of KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID
as the guest's CPUID model, e.g. for using KVM to isolate code as opposed to standing
up a traditional virtual machine.  For that use case, userspace again relies on KVM to
enumerate support.

What I was trying to call out in the above is that the KVM "enabling" technically
doesn't expose the feature to the guest.  E.g. a clever guest could ignore CPUID
and probe the relevant instructions manually by seeing whether or not they #UD.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-21 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-18 14:15 [PATCH v4 0/6] x86: KVM: Advertise CPUID of new Intel platform instructions to user space Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-18 14:15 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] x86: KVM: Advertise CMPccXADD CPUID " Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-18 16:47   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-18 18:34     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-21 14:46     ` Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-21 15:29       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21 15:48         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-21 15:53           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-21 17:28             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2022-11-21 19:50               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-23  6:33         ` Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-21 15:38       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-23  7:46         ` Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-18 14:15 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] x86: KVM: Advertise AMX-FP16 " Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-18 14:15 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] x86: KVM: Advertise AVX-IFMA " Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-18 16:08   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-21 14:46     ` Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-18 14:15 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] x86: KVM: Advertise AVX-VNNI-INT8 " Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-18 17:17   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-21 15:06     ` Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-18 14:15 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] x86: KVM: Advertise AVX-NE-CONVERT " Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-18 14:15 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] x86: KVM: Advertise PREFETCHIT0/1 " Jiaxi Chen
2022-11-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] x86: KVM: Advertise CPUID of new Intel platform instructions " Borislav Petkov

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