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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: "Kubalewski, Arkadiusz" <arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com>
Cc: Vadim Fedorenko <vfedorenko@novek.ru>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Lemon <jonathan.lemon@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-clk@vger.kernel.org" <linux-clk@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] Create common DPLL/clock configuration API
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:01:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y5MHlrZYe11ZglUS@nanopsycho> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB4657D2286838A5A287D20D3F9B1D9@DM6PR11MB4657.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 12:05:43AM CET, arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com wrote:
>>From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 12:59 PM
>>
>>>>From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
>>>>Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 5:12 PM
>>>>
>>>>Fri, Dec 02, 2022 at 12:27:24PM CET, arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com
>>wrote:
>>>>>>From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 1:32 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 10:37:20PM CET, vfedorenko@novek.ru wrote:

[...]

>>>>This you have to clearly specify when you define driver API.
>>>>This const attrs should be passed during pin creation/registration.
>>>>
>>>>Talking about dpll instance itself, the clock_id, clock_quality, these
>>>>should be also const attrs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, clock_quality can also vary on runtime (i.e. ext/synce). We
>>cannot
>>>determine what Quality Level signal user has connected to the SMA or was
>>>received from the network. Only gnss/oscilattor could have const depending
>>>on used HW. But generally it shall not be const.
>>
>>Sec. I'm talkign about the actual dpll quality, means the internal
>>clock. How it can vary?
>
>Yes, the DPLL has some holdover capacity, thus can translate this into QL and
>it shall not ever change. Sure, we could add this.
>
>I was thinking about a source Quality Level. If that would be available here,
>the ptp-profiles implementation would be simpler, as ptp daemon could read it
>and embed that information in its frames.
>Although, this would have to be configurable from user space, at least for EXT
>and SYNCE pin types.

The kernel would serve as a holder or info shared from one daemon to
another one. That does not sound correct. PTP should ask SyncE deamon
directly, I believe.


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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: "Kubalewski, Arkadiusz" <arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com>
Cc: Vadim Fedorenko <vfedorenko@novek.ru>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Lemon <jonathan.lemon@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-clk@vger.kernel.org" <linux-clk@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] Create common DPLL/clock configuration API
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:01:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y5MHlrZYe11ZglUS@nanopsycho> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB4657D2286838A5A287D20D3F9B1D9@DM6PR11MB4657.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 12:05:43AM CET, arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com wrote:
>>From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 12:59 PM
>>
>>>>From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
>>>>Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 5:12 PM
>>>>
>>>>Fri, Dec 02, 2022 at 12:27:24PM CET, arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com
>>wrote:
>>>>>>From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 1:32 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 10:37:20PM CET, vfedorenko@novek.ru wrote:

[...]

>>>>This you have to clearly specify when you define driver API.
>>>>This const attrs should be passed during pin creation/registration.
>>>>
>>>>Talking about dpll instance itself, the clock_id, clock_quality, these
>>>>should be also const attrs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, clock_quality can also vary on runtime (i.e. ext/synce). We
>>cannot
>>>determine what Quality Level signal user has connected to the SMA or was
>>>received from the network. Only gnss/oscilattor could have const depending
>>>on used HW. But generally it shall not be const.
>>
>>Sec. I'm talkign about the actual dpll quality, means the internal
>>clock. How it can vary?
>
>Yes, the DPLL has some holdover capacity, thus can translate this into QL and
>it shall not ever change. Sure, we could add this.
>
>I was thinking about a source Quality Level. If that would be available here,
>the ptp-profiles implementation would be simpler, as ptp daemon could read it
>and embed that information in its frames.
>Although, this would have to be configurable from user space, at least for EXT
>and SYNCE pin types.

The kernel would serve as a holder or info shared from one daemon to
another one. That does not sound correct. PTP should ask SyncE deamon
directly, I believe.


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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-09 10:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 172+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-29 21:37 [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] Create common DPLL/clock configuration API Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/4] dpll: add dpll_attr/dpll_pin_attr helper classes Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/4] dpll: Add DPLL framework base functions Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-30 15:21   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 15:21     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 16:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 16:23       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-23 16:45     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-23 16:45       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-02 12:28       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-02 12:28         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 16:37   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 16:37     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 11:27     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 11:27       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 12:39       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 12:39         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 14:54         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 14:54           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 16:15           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 16:15             ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]             ` <20221202212206.3619bd5f@kernel.org>
2022-12-05 10:32               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-05 10:32                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-06  0:19                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-06  0:19                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-06  8:50                   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-06  8:50                     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-06 17:27                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-06 17:27                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 13:10                       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07 13:10                         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07 16:59                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 16:59                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08  8:14                           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08  8:14                             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 16:19                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 16:19                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 16:33                               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 16:33                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 17:05                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 17:05                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09  9:29                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  9:29                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09 16:19                                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09 16:19                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-12 13:36                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-12 13:36                                         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-13 18:08                                         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-13 18:08                                           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-14  7:32                                           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-14  7:32                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/4] dpll: documentation on DPLL subsystem interface Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2022-12-02 12:43   ` kernel test robot
2022-12-19  9:13   ` Paolo Abeni
2022-12-19  9:13     ` Paolo Abeni
2023-01-12 13:45     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 13:45       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/4] ptp_ocp: implement DPLL ops Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-30  8:30   ` kernel test robot
2022-11-30 12:41   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 12:41     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 11:27     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 11:27       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 12:48       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 12:48         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 14:39         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 14:39           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 16:20           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 16:20             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08  0:35             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08  0:35               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08  8:19               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08  8:19                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07  2:33           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07  2:33             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 13:19             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07 13:19               ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]               ` <20221207090524.3f562eeb@kernel.org>
2022-12-08 11:22                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  0:36                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09  9:32                     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 12:32 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] Create common DPLL/clock configuration API Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 12:32   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 11:27   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 11:27     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 16:12     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 16:12       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07  2:47       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07  2:47         ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 14:09         ` netdev.dump
2022-12-07 14:09           ` netdev.dump
2022-12-07 23:21           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 23:21             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 11:28             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 11:28               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  0:39               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09  0:39                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09  0:56                 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-09  0:56                   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08 18:08             ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-08 18:08               ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-09 11:07               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09 11:07                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09 14:09                 ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-09 14:09                   ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-09 16:31                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09 16:31                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09 17:11                     ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-09 17:11                       ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-12 13:58                     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-12 13:58                       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-09 14:43                       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-09 14:43                         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-09 16:30                         ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-09 16:30                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-10 10:54                           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-10 10:54                             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-10 14:28                             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-10 14:28                               ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]                             ` <645a5bfd-0092-2f39-0ff2-3ffb27ccf8fe@machnikowski.net>
2023-01-11 14:17                               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 14:17                                 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 14:40                                 ` Maciek Machnikowski
2023-01-11 14:40                                   ` Maciek Machnikowski
2023-01-11 15:30                                   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 15:30                                     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 15:54                                     ` Maciek Machnikowski
2023-01-11 15:54                                       ` Maciek Machnikowski
2023-01-11 16:27                                       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 16:27                                         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-10 20:05                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-10 20:05                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-11  8:19                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11  8:19                             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 14:16                             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 14:16                               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 15:04                               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 15:04                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 15:30                                 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 15:30                                   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 16:14                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 16:14                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 12:15                                     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 12:15                                       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 14:43                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 14:43                                         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  0:46             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-09  0:46               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-07 14:51         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07 14:51           ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]           ` <20221207091946.3115742f@kernel.org>
2022-12-08 12:02             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 12:02               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  0:54               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 18:23             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08 18:23               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08  0:27       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08  0:27         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08 11:58         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 11:58           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 23:05           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08 23:05             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-09 10:01             ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
2022-12-09 10:01               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 12:23 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 12:23   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 14:50   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 14:50     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 19:09   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-12 19:09     ` Jakub Kicinski

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