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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Anton Kuchin <antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-fs@redhat.com,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	yc-core@yandex-team.ru, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH] vhost-user-fs: add capability to allow migration
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 14:46:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y9GG+EXX03TAvWDS@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230115170903.3416105-1-antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru>

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On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 07:09:03PM +0200, Anton Kuchin wrote:
> Now any vhost-user-fs device makes VM unmigratable, that also prevents
> qemu update without stopping the VM. In most cases that makes sense
> because qemu has no way to transfer FUSE session state.
> 
> But we can give an option to orchestrator to override this if it can
> guarantee that state will be preserved (e.g. it uses migration to
> update qemu and dst will run on the same host as src and use the same
> socket endpoints).
> 
> This patch keeps default behavior that prevents migration with such devices
> but adds migration capability 'vhost-user-fs' to explicitly allow migration.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Anton Kuchin <antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru>
> ---
>  hw/virtio/vhost-user-fs.c | 25 ++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>  qapi/migration.json       |  7 ++++++-
>  2 files changed, 30 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

Hi Anton,
Sorry for holding up your work with the discussions that we had. I still
feel it's important to agree on command-line and/or vhost-user protocol
changes that will be able to support non-migratable, stateless
migration/reconnect, and stateful migration vhost-user-fs back-ends. All
three will exist.

As a next step, could you share your code that implements the QEMU side
of stateless migration?

I think that will make it clearer whether a command-line option
(migration capability or per-device) is sufficient or whether the
vhost-user protocol needs to be extended.

If the vhost-user protocol is extended then maybe no user-visible
changes are necessary. QEMU will know if the vhost-user-fs backend
supports migration and which type of migration. It can block migration
in cases where it's not possible.

Thanks,
Stefan

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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Anton Kuchin <antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-fs@redhat.com,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	yc-core@yandex-team.ru, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vhost-user-fs: add capability to allow migration
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 14:46:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y9GG+EXX03TAvWDS@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230115170903.3416105-1-antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru>

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On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 07:09:03PM +0200, Anton Kuchin wrote:
> Now any vhost-user-fs device makes VM unmigratable, that also prevents
> qemu update without stopping the VM. In most cases that makes sense
> because qemu has no way to transfer FUSE session state.
> 
> But we can give an option to orchestrator to override this if it can
> guarantee that state will be preserved (e.g. it uses migration to
> update qemu and dst will run on the same host as src and use the same
> socket endpoints).
> 
> This patch keeps default behavior that prevents migration with such devices
> but adds migration capability 'vhost-user-fs' to explicitly allow migration.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Anton Kuchin <antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru>
> ---
>  hw/virtio/vhost-user-fs.c | 25 ++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>  qapi/migration.json       |  7 ++++++-
>  2 files changed, 30 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

Hi Anton,
Sorry for holding up your work with the discussions that we had. I still
feel it's important to agree on command-line and/or vhost-user protocol
changes that will be able to support non-migratable, stateless
migration/reconnect, and stateful migration vhost-user-fs back-ends. All
three will exist.

As a next step, could you share your code that implements the QEMU side
of stateless migration?

I think that will make it clearer whether a command-line option
(migration capability or per-device) is sufficient or whether the
vhost-user protocol needs to be extended.

If the vhost-user protocol is extended then maybe no user-visible
changes are necessary. QEMU will know if the vhost-user-fs backend
supports migration and which type of migration. It can block migration
in cases where it's not possible.

Thanks,
Stefan

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-01-25 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-15 17:09 [Virtio-fs] [PATCH] vhost-user-fs: add capability to allow migration Anton Kuchin
2023-01-15 17:09 ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-18 15:52 ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-18 15:52   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-19 12:43   ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-19 12:43     ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-19 14:30     ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-19 14:30       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-19 15:29       ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-19 15:29         ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-19 16:02         ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-19 16:02           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-19 16:58           ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-19 16:58             ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-19 20:40             ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-19 20:40               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-02-01 14:26             ` [Virtio-fs] " Juan Quintela
2023-02-01 14:26               ` Juan Quintela
2023-02-02  0:54               ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-02-02  0:54                 ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-02  9:59                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Juan Quintela
2023-02-02  9:59                   ` Juan Quintela
2023-02-10 14:09                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-02-10 14:09                     ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-10 16:08                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Juan Quintela
2023-02-10 16:08                       ` Juan Quintela
2023-02-16 21:00                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-02-16 21:00                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-19 12:51 ` [Virtio-fs] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-19 12:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-19 13:45   ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-19 13:45     ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-19 19:00     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2023-01-19 19:00       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2023-01-19 20:47       ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-19 20:47         ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-20 13:58     ` [Virtio-fs] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-20 13:58       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-20 17:37       ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-20 17:37         ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-22  8:16         ` [Virtio-fs] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-22  8:16           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-22 12:36           ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-22 12:36             ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-22 14:46             ` [Virtio-fs] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-22 14:46               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-22 16:09               ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-22 16:09                 ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-22 16:17                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-22 16:17                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-23 14:09                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-23 14:09                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-23 15:52                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-23 15:52                       ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-23 19:49                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-23 19:49                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-23 21:00                         ` [Virtio-fs] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-23 21:00                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-23 21:56                           ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-23 21:56                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-23 18:27                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2023-01-23 18:27                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2023-01-23 19:53                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-23 19:53                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-24  1:46                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-24  1:46                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-24  9:50                         ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2023-01-24  9:50                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2023-01-24 12:48                           ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-24 12:48                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-02-01 14:37                             ` [Virtio-fs] " Juan Quintela
2023-02-01 14:37                               ` Juan Quintela
2023-01-25 19:46 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2023-01-25 19:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-26 14:20   ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-26 14:20     ` Anton Kuchin
2023-01-26 15:13     ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-26 15:13       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-26 15:21       ` [Virtio-fs] " Anton Kuchin
2023-01-26 15:21         ` Anton Kuchin

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