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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: "Leonardo Brás" <leobras.c@gmail.com>
Cc: Nathan Lynch <nathanl@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Scott Cheloha <cheloha@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Sandipan Das <sandipan@linux.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Laurent Dufour <ldufour@linux.ibm.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] powerpc/mm/hash: Avoid resizing-down HPT on first memory hotplug
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 16:59:49 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YMBm5ctf19lT4mj4@yekko> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a69f18159b90c5ede95e6d3769e224b883cc974f.camel@gmail.com>

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On Wed, Jun 09, 2021 at 02:51:49AM -0300, Leonardo Brás wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-06-09 at 14:40 +1000, David Gibson wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 09:52:10PM -0300, Leonardo Brás wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2021-06-07 at 15:02 +1000, David Gibson wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:36:06AM -0300, Leonardo Bras wrote:
> > > > > Because hypervisors may need to create HPTs without knowing the
> > > > > guest
> > > > > page size, the smallest used page-size (4k) may be chosen,
> > > > > resulting in
> > > > > a HPT that is possibly bigger than needed.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On a guest with bigger page-sizes, the amount of entries for
> > > > > HTP
> > > > > may be
> > > > > too high, causing the guest to ask for a HPT resize-down on the
> > > > > first
> > > > > hotplug.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This becomes a problem when HPT resize-down fails, and causes
> > > > > the
> > > > > HPT resize to be performed on every LMB added, until HPT size
> > > > > is
> > > > > compatible to guest memory size, causing a major slowdown.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, avoiding HPT resizing-down on hot-add significantly
> > > > > improves
> > > > > memory
> > > > > hotplug times.
> > > > > 
> > > > > As an example, hotplugging 256GB on a 129GB guest took 710s
> > > > > without
> > > > > this
> > > > > patch, and 21s after applied.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Leonardo Bras <leobras.c@gmail.com>
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry it's taken me so long to look at these
> > > > 
> > > > I don't love the extra statefulness that the 'shrinking'
> > > > parameter
> > > > adds, but I can't see an elegant way to avoid it, so:
> > > > 
> > > > Reviewed-by: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
> > > 
> > > np, thanks for reviewing!
> > 
> > Actually... I take that back.  With the subsequent patches my
> > discomfort with the complexity of implementing the batching grew.
> > 
> > I think I can see a simpler way - although it wasn't as clear as I
> > thought it might be, without some deep history on this feature.
> > 
> > What's going on here is pretty hard to follow, because it starts in
> > arch-specific code (arch/powerpc/platforms/pseries/hotplug-memory.c)
> > where it processes the add/remove requests, then goes into generic
> > code __add_memory() which eventually emerges back in arch specific
> > code (hash__create_section_mapping()).
> > 
> > The HPT resizing calls are in the "inner" arch specific section,
> > whereas it's only the outer arch section that has the information to
> > batch properly.  The mutex and 'shrinking' parameter in Leonardo's
> > code are all about conveying information from the outer to inner
> > section.
> > 
> > Now, I think the reason I had the resize calls in the inner section
> > was to accomodate the notion that a) pHyp might support resizing in
> > future, and it could come in through a different path with its drmgr
> > thingy and/or b) bare metal hash architectures might want to
> > implement
> > hash resizing, and this would make at least part of the path common.
> > 
> > Given the decreasing relevance of hash MMUs, I think we can now
> > safely
> > say neither of these is ever going to happen.
> > 
> > Therefore, we can simplify things by moving the HPT resize calls into
> > the pseries LMB code, instead of create/remove_section_mapping.  Then
> > to do batching without extra complications we just need this logic
> > for
> > all resizes (both add and remove):
> > 
> >         let new_hpt_order = expected HPT size for new mem size;
> > 
> >         if (new_hpt_order > current_hpt_order)
> >                 resize to new_hpt_order
> > 
> >         add/remove memory
> > 
> >         if (new_hpt_order < current_hpt_order - 1)
> >                 resize to new_hpt_order
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Ok, that really does seem to simplify a lot the batching.
> 
> Question:
> by LMB code, you mean dlpar_memory_{add,remove}_by_* ?
> (dealing only with dlpar_{add,remove}_lmb() would not be enough to deal
> with batching)

I was thinking of a two stage process.  First moving the resizes to
dlpar_{add,remote}_lmb() (not changing behaviour for the pseries dlpar
path), then implementing the batching by moving to the {add,remove}_by
functions.

But..

> In my 3/3 repĺy I sent you some other examples of functions that
> currently end up calling resize_hpt_for_hotplug() without comming from 
> hotplug-memory.c. Is that ok that they do not call it anymore?

..as I replied there, I was wrong about it being safe to move the
resizes all to the pseries dlpar code.

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: "Leonardo Brás" <leobras.c@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Sandipan Das <sandipan@linux.ibm.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Nathan Lynch <nathanl@linux.ibm.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Scott Cheloha <cheloha@linux.ibm.com>,
	Laurent Dufour <ldufour@linux.ibm.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] powerpc/mm/hash: Avoid resizing-down HPT on first memory hotplug
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 16:59:49 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YMBm5ctf19lT4mj4@yekko> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a69f18159b90c5ede95e6d3769e224b883cc974f.camel@gmail.com>

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On Wed, Jun 09, 2021 at 02:51:49AM -0300, Leonardo Brás wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-06-09 at 14:40 +1000, David Gibson wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 09:52:10PM -0300, Leonardo Brás wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2021-06-07 at 15:02 +1000, David Gibson wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:36:06AM -0300, Leonardo Bras wrote:
> > > > > Because hypervisors may need to create HPTs without knowing the
> > > > > guest
> > > > > page size, the smallest used page-size (4k) may be chosen,
> > > > > resulting in
> > > > > a HPT that is possibly bigger than needed.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On a guest with bigger page-sizes, the amount of entries for
> > > > > HTP
> > > > > may be
> > > > > too high, causing the guest to ask for a HPT resize-down on the
> > > > > first
> > > > > hotplug.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This becomes a problem when HPT resize-down fails, and causes
> > > > > the
> > > > > HPT resize to be performed on every LMB added, until HPT size
> > > > > is
> > > > > compatible to guest memory size, causing a major slowdown.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, avoiding HPT resizing-down on hot-add significantly
> > > > > improves
> > > > > memory
> > > > > hotplug times.
> > > > > 
> > > > > As an example, hotplugging 256GB on a 129GB guest took 710s
> > > > > without
> > > > > this
> > > > > patch, and 21s after applied.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Leonardo Bras <leobras.c@gmail.com>
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry it's taken me so long to look at these
> > > > 
> > > > I don't love the extra statefulness that the 'shrinking'
> > > > parameter
> > > > adds, but I can't see an elegant way to avoid it, so:
> > > > 
> > > > Reviewed-by: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
> > > 
> > > np, thanks for reviewing!
> > 
> > Actually... I take that back.  With the subsequent patches my
> > discomfort with the complexity of implementing the batching grew.
> > 
> > I think I can see a simpler way - although it wasn't as clear as I
> > thought it might be, without some deep history on this feature.
> > 
> > What's going on here is pretty hard to follow, because it starts in
> > arch-specific code (arch/powerpc/platforms/pseries/hotplug-memory.c)
> > where it processes the add/remove requests, then goes into generic
> > code __add_memory() which eventually emerges back in arch specific
> > code (hash__create_section_mapping()).
> > 
> > The HPT resizing calls are in the "inner" arch specific section,
> > whereas it's only the outer arch section that has the information to
> > batch properly.  The mutex and 'shrinking' parameter in Leonardo's
> > code are all about conveying information from the outer to inner
> > section.
> > 
> > Now, I think the reason I had the resize calls in the inner section
> > was to accomodate the notion that a) pHyp might support resizing in
> > future, and it could come in through a different path with its drmgr
> > thingy and/or b) bare metal hash architectures might want to
> > implement
> > hash resizing, and this would make at least part of the path common.
> > 
> > Given the decreasing relevance of hash MMUs, I think we can now
> > safely
> > say neither of these is ever going to happen.
> > 
> > Therefore, we can simplify things by moving the HPT resize calls into
> > the pseries LMB code, instead of create/remove_section_mapping.  Then
> > to do batching without extra complications we just need this logic
> > for
> > all resizes (both add and remove):
> > 
> >         let new_hpt_order = expected HPT size for new mem size;
> > 
> >         if (new_hpt_order > current_hpt_order)
> >                 resize to new_hpt_order
> > 
> >         add/remove memory
> > 
> >         if (new_hpt_order < current_hpt_order - 1)
> >                 resize to new_hpt_order
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Ok, that really does seem to simplify a lot the batching.
> 
> Question:
> by LMB code, you mean dlpar_memory_{add,remove}_by_* ?
> (dealing only with dlpar_{add,remove}_lmb() would not be enough to deal
> with batching)

I was thinking of a two stage process.  First moving the resizes to
dlpar_{add,remote}_lmb() (not changing behaviour for the pseries dlpar
path), then implementing the batching by moving to the {add,remove}_by
functions.

But..

> In my 3/3 repĺy I sent you some other examples of functions that
> currently end up calling resize_hpt_for_hotplug() without comming from 
> hotplug-memory.c. Is that ok that they do not call it anymore?

..as I replied there, I was wrong about it being safe to move the
resizes all to the pseries dlpar code.

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-09  7:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-30 14:36 [PATCH v2 0/3] powerpc/mm/hash: Time improvements for memory hot(un)plug Leonardo Bras
2021-04-30 14:36 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] powerpc/mm/hash: Avoid resizing-down HPT on first memory hotplug Leonardo Bras
2021-06-07  5:02   ` David Gibson
2021-06-07  5:02     ` David Gibson
2021-06-09  0:52     ` Leonardo Brás
2021-06-09  0:52       ` Leonardo Brás
2021-06-09  4:40       ` David Gibson
2021-06-09  4:40         ` David Gibson
2021-06-09  5:51         ` Leonardo Brás
2021-06-09  5:51           ` Leonardo Brás
2021-06-09  6:59           ` David Gibson [this message]
2021-06-09  6:59             ` David Gibson
2021-04-30 14:36 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] powerpc/mm/hash: Avoid multiple HPT resize-ups on " Leonardo Bras
2021-06-07  5:10   ` David Gibson
2021-06-07  5:10     ` David Gibson
2021-06-09  3:09     ` Leonardo Brás
2021-06-09  3:09       ` Leonardo Brás
2021-04-30 14:36 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] powerpc/mm/hash: Avoid multiple HPT resize-downs on memory hotunplug Leonardo Bras
2021-06-07  5:20   ` David Gibson
2021-06-07  5:20     ` David Gibson
2021-06-09  5:30     ` Leonardo Brás
2021-06-09  5:30       ` Leonardo Brás
2021-06-09  6:08       ` David Gibson
2021-06-09  6:08         ` David Gibson
2021-04-30 14:41 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] powerpc/mm/hash: Time improvements for memory hot(un)plug Leonardo Bras

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