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From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
To: Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>
Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andy@kernel.org>,
	linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Hennerich <michael.hennerich@analog.com>,
	linux-staging@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Phillip Potter <phil@philpotter.co.uk>,
	Carlis <zhangxuezhi1@yulong.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/4] fbtft: Unorphan the driver
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 15:07:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YfFHnNXIWFwDrRij@smile.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f671a112-880d-1526-a395-360947b40c5a@gmx.de>

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 12:17:08PM +0100, Helge Deller wrote:
> On 1/26/22 11:31, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 9:31 AM Greg Kroah-Hartman
> > <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

...

> > On the other hand ... why does it have to be resurrecting fbdev?
> > There's an entire community of people who really know graphics and
> > display and spent considerable amount of effort on creating useful and
> > documented helpers for pretty much anything you might ever want to do.
> > And somehow we have to go back to typing out things the hard way, with
> > full verbosity, for an uapi that distros are abandoning (e.g. even for
> > sdl the direction is to run it on top of drm with a compat layer,
> > afaiui fedora is completely ditching any userspace that still even
> > uses /dev/fb/0). And yes I know there's still some gaps in drm,
> > largely for display features which were really en vogue about 20 years
> > ago. And we're happy to add that support, if someone who still has
> > such hardware can put in the little bit of work needed ...
> >
> > I don't get this.
> 
> You are describing a transitioning over to DRM - which is Ok.
> But on that way there is no need to ignore, deny or even kill usage scenarios
> which are different compared to your usage scenarios (e.g. embedded devices,
> old platforms, slow devices, slow busses, no 3D hardware features,
> low-color devices, ...).

Exactly, I am on the same side here.

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
To: Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>
Cc: Andy Shevchenko <andy@kernel.org>,
	linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Hennerich <michael.hennerich@analog.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-staging@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Phillip Potter <phil@philpotter.co.uk>,
	Carlis <zhangxuezhi1@yulong.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/4] fbtft: Unorphan the driver
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 15:07:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YfFHnNXIWFwDrRij@smile.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f671a112-880d-1526-a395-360947b40c5a@gmx.de>

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 12:17:08PM +0100, Helge Deller wrote:
> On 1/26/22 11:31, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 9:31 AM Greg Kroah-Hartman
> > <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

...

> > On the other hand ... why does it have to be resurrecting fbdev?
> > There's an entire community of people who really know graphics and
> > display and spent considerable amount of effort on creating useful and
> > documented helpers for pretty much anything you might ever want to do.
> > And somehow we have to go back to typing out things the hard way, with
> > full verbosity, for an uapi that distros are abandoning (e.g. even for
> > sdl the direction is to run it on top of drm with a compat layer,
> > afaiui fedora is completely ditching any userspace that still even
> > uses /dev/fb/0). And yes I know there's still some gaps in drm,
> > largely for display features which were really en vogue about 20 years
> > ago. And we're happy to add that support, if someone who still has
> > such hardware can put in the little bit of work needed ...
> >
> > I don't get this.
> 
> You are describing a transitioning over to DRM - which is Ok.
> But on that way there is no need to ignore, deny or even kill usage scenarios
> which are different compared to your usage scenarios (e.g. embedded devices,
> old platforms, slow devices, slow busses, no 3D hardware features,
> low-color devices, ...).

Exactly, I am on the same side here.

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-26 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-25 20:21 [PATCH v1 0/4] fbtft: Unorphan the driver for maintenance Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-25 20:21 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-25 20:21 ` [PATCH v1 1/4] fbtft: Unorphan the driver Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-25 20:21   ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26  8:31   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26  8:31     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 10:31     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 10:31       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 11:17       ` Helge Deller
2022-01-26 11:17         ` Helge Deller
2022-01-26 11:26         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 11:26           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 13:12           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:12             ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:46             ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 14:08               ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 14:08                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 14:10                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 14:10                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 14:15                   ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 14:15                     ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-31  8:29                     ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-31  8:29                       ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-31  9:18                       ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-31 10:18                         ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-31 10:28                           ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-01 17:00                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-01 17:00                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-01 17:06                               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-02-01 17:06                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-02-01 20:54                                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2022-02-01 20:54                                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2022-02-01 19:00                               ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-01 19:00                                 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-31 11:36                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-31 11:36                         ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-31 12:08                         ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-31 13:23                           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-31 13:24                             ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-31 13:55                             ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-31 14:06                               ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 17:34                 ` Jani Nikula
2022-01-26 11:27         ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 11:27           ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 13:14           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:14             ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 11:31         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-26 13:13           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:13             ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:07         ` Andy Shevchenko [this message]
2022-01-26 13:07           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:06       ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:06         ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:22         ` Daniel Stone
2022-01-26 13:22           ` Daniel Stone
2022-01-25 20:21 ` [PATCH v1 2/4] fbtft: Move driver out from staging Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-25 20:21   ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-25 20:21 ` [PATCH v1 3/4] fbtft: Kill outdated documentation Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-25 20:21   ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-25 20:21 ` [PATCH v1 4/4] fbtft: Replace 'depends on FB_TFT' by 'if FB_TFT ... endif' Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-25 20:21   ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-25 20:40   ` Randy Dunlap
2022-01-25 20:40     ` Randy Dunlap
2022-01-26  8:54   ` Joe Perches
2022-01-26  8:54     ` Joe Perches
2022-01-26 13:02     ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:02       ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26  8:52 ` [PATCH v1 0/4] fbtft: Unorphan the driver for maintenance Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-26  8:52   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-26 10:02   ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 10:02     ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 10:04     ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 10:04       ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 10:28       ` Dan Carpenter
2022-01-26 10:28         ` Dan Carpenter
2022-01-26 12:37         ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 12:56           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 12:56             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 13:18             ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:18               ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:44               ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 13:44                 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 13:19             ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 13:19               ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 13:36               ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:36                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:17           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:17             ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 10:43     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 10:43       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 10:47     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 10:47       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 10:52       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 10:52         ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 11:15         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 11:15           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 13:26           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:26             ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:24         ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:24           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 10:59     ` Helge Deller
2022-01-26 10:59       ` Helge Deller
2022-01-26 11:18       ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 11:24         ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 11:24           ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 11:38           ` Helge Deller
2022-01-26 11:38             ` Helge Deller
2022-01-26 11:45             ` Sven Schnelle
2022-01-26 11:45               ` Sven Schnelle
2022-01-26 13:30             ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:30               ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-27  9:18               ` Maxime Ripard
2022-01-27  9:18                 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-01-26 11:31         ` Helge Deller
2022-01-26 11:38           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 11:38             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 11:51             ` Helge Deller
2022-01-26 11:51               ` Helge Deller
2022-01-26 12:15               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 12:15                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 11:51           ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-26 13:27         ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:27           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:47           ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 13:47             ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 14:11             ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 14:11               ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 14:18               ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 14:18                 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-26 14:24                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 14:24                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-01-26 14:45                   ` Dan Carpenter
2022-01-26 14:45                     ` Dan Carpenter
2022-01-26 22:31                     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 22:31                       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-27  6:29                       ` Dan Carpenter
2022-01-27  6:29                         ` Dan Carpenter
2022-01-27 10:32                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2022-01-27 10:32                           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2022-01-27 11:11                           ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-27 11:11                             ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-27 16:34                             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2022-01-27 16:34                               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2022-01-26 22:37                   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 22:37                     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-26 11:41       ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-26 11:41         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-26 13:32         ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:32           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 15:02           ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-26 15:33             ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 15:54             ` Helge Deller
2022-01-26 13:15 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-01-26 13:15   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-01-26 13:21   ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-01-26 13:21     ` Andy Shevchenko

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