From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
To: Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>
Cc: "Jani Nikula" <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
"Javier Martinez Canillas" <javierm@redhat.com>,
linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, "David Airlie" <airlied@linux.ie>,
"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
"Noralf Trønnes" <noralf@tronnes.org>,
"Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
"Maxime Ripard" <maxime@cerno.tech>,
"Sam Ravnborg" <sam@ravnborg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/6] drm/format-helper: Add drm_fb_xrgb8888_to_gray8_line()
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:59:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YgpgPCT7XVLvwTnr@smile.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5ee24960-7843-827a-2c47-b93a4b4798e3@suse.de>
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 01:12:48PM +0100, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
> Am 14.02.22 um 11:38 schrieb Andy Shevchenko:
> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 10:03:53AM +0100, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
> > > Am 11.02.22 um 16:41 schrieb Andy Shevchenko:
...
> > > > > IMO *always* prefer a for loop over while or do-while.
> > > > >
> > > > > The for (i = 0; i < N; i++) is such a strong paradigm in C. You
> > > > > instantly know how many times you're going to loop, at a glance. Not so
> > > > > with with the alternatives, which should be used sparingly.
> > > >
> > > > while () {} _is_ a paradigm, for-loop is syntax sugar on top of it.
> > >
> > > Naw, that's not true.
> >
> > In the section 3.5 "Loops - While and For" in "The C Programming
> > Language" 2nd by K&R, the authors said:
>
> Year of publication: 1988 . It's not the most up-to-date reference for C
> programming.
Yet this makes your above remark invalid, i.e. `for` _is_ syntax sugar despite
what you think it's idiomatic _nowadays_.
> > The for statement ... is equivalent to ... while..."
> >
> > They said that for is equivalent to while, and not otherwise.
>
> Even leaving readability aside, it's not equivalent. You can declare
> variables as part of the for statement. (I know it's not the kernel's
> style.) Also, 'continue' statements are not well-suited in for loops,
> because it's non-obvious if the loop's update statement is being executed.
> (It isn't.)
It's also written in the book :-)
> > Also, syntax sugar by definition declares something that can be written as
> > a single line of code, which usually is done using more (not always).
>
> The discussion has entered the phase of hair splitting. Good.
I don't know why we are adding an oil into the flames...
--
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko
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From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
To: Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>
Cc: linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, "David Airlie" <airlied@linux.ie>,
"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
"Javier Martinez Canillas" <javierm@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Noralf Trønnes" <noralf@tronnes.org>,
"Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
"Sam Ravnborg" <sam@ravnborg.org>,
"Maxime Ripard" <maxime@cerno.tech>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/6] drm/format-helper: Add drm_fb_xrgb8888_to_gray8_line()
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:59:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YgpgPCT7XVLvwTnr@smile.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5ee24960-7843-827a-2c47-b93a4b4798e3@suse.de>
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 01:12:48PM +0100, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
> Am 14.02.22 um 11:38 schrieb Andy Shevchenko:
> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 10:03:53AM +0100, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
> > > Am 11.02.22 um 16:41 schrieb Andy Shevchenko:
...
> > > > > IMO *always* prefer a for loop over while or do-while.
> > > > >
> > > > > The for (i = 0; i < N; i++) is such a strong paradigm in C. You
> > > > > instantly know how many times you're going to loop, at a glance. Not so
> > > > > with with the alternatives, which should be used sparingly.
> > > >
> > > > while () {} _is_ a paradigm, for-loop is syntax sugar on top of it.
> > >
> > > Naw, that's not true.
> >
> > In the section 3.5 "Loops - While and For" in "The C Programming
> > Language" 2nd by K&R, the authors said:
>
> Year of publication: 1988 . It's not the most up-to-date reference for C
> programming.
Yet this makes your above remark invalid, i.e. `for` _is_ syntax sugar despite
what you think it's idiomatic _nowadays_.
> > The for statement ... is equivalent to ... while..."
> >
> > They said that for is equivalent to while, and not otherwise.
>
> Even leaving readability aside, it's not equivalent. You can declare
> variables as part of the for statement. (I know it's not the kernel's
> style.) Also, 'continue' statements are not well-suited in for loops,
> because it's non-obvious if the loop's update statement is being executed.
> (It isn't.)
It's also written in the book :-)
> > Also, syntax sugar by definition declares something that can be written as
> > a single line of code, which usually is done using more (not always).
>
> The discussion has entered the phase of hair splitting. Good.
I don't know why we are adding an oil into the flames...
--
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko
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2022-02-11 9:19 [PATCH v4 0/6] drm: Add driver for Solomon SSD130x OLED displays Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 9:19 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 9:19 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] drm/format-helper: Add drm_fb_xrgb8888_to_gray8_line() Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 9:19 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 9:29 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-11 10:28 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 10:28 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 10:40 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 10:40 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 11:12 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 11:12 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 11:54 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-11 11:54 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-11 12:05 ` Jani Nikula
2022-02-11 12:11 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 12:27 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-11 12:27 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-11 15:41 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 15:41 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 16:25 ` Jani Nikula
2022-02-11 16:25 ` Jani Nikula
2022-02-11 17:27 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 17:27 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-14 9:17 ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-02-14 9:17 ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-02-14 10:26 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-14 10:26 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-14 9:03 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-14 9:03 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-14 10:38 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-14 10:38 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-14 10:52 ` Simon Ser
2022-02-14 10:52 ` Simon Ser
2022-02-14 10:57 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-14 10:57 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-14 12:12 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-14 12:12 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-14 12:47 ` Ville Syrjälä
2022-02-14 12:47 ` Ville Syrjälä
2022-02-14 12:54 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-14 13:07 ` Ville Syrjälä
2022-02-14 13:59 ` Andy Shevchenko [this message]
2022-02-14 13:59 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 9:19 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] drm/format-helper: Add drm_fb_xrgb8888_to_mono_reversed() Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 9:19 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 11:10 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 11:10 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 11:50 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 11:50 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 15:55 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 15:55 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 11:59 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-11 11:59 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-11 12:46 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-11 12:46 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-11 9:19 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] drm: Add driver for Solomon SSD130x OLED displays Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 9:19 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 11:33 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 11:33 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 12:05 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 12:05 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 12:23 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-11 12:23 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-11 12:27 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 12:27 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 15:49 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 15:49 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 12:44 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-11 12:44 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-02-11 9:19 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] drm/solomon: Add SSD130x OLED displays I2C support Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 9:19 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 11:16 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 11:16 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 9:21 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for Solomon SSD130x OLED displays DRM driver Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 9:21 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 11:34 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 11:34 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 9:22 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] dt-bindings: display: ssd1307fb: Add myself as binding co-maintainer Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 9:22 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-02-11 11:35 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-11 11:35 ` Andy Shevchenko
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