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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: "Gupta, Pankaj" <pankaj.gupta@amd.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2022 21:19:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YtnCyqbI26QfRuOP@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c3ca63d6-db27-d783-40ca-486b3fbbced7@amd.com>

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022, Gupta, Pankaj wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean, Chao,
> 
> While attempting to solve the pre-boot guest payload/firmware population
> into private memory for SEV SNP, retrieved this thread. Have question below:
> 
> > > > Requirements & Gaps
> > > > -------------------------------------
> > > >    - Confidential computing(CC): TDX/SEV/CCA
> > > >      * Need support both explicit/implicit conversions.
> > > >      * Need support only destructive conversion at runtime.
> > > >      * The current patch should just work, but prefer to have pre-boot guest
> > > >        payload/firmware population into private memory for performance.
> > > 
> > > Not just performance in the case of SEV, it's needed there because firmware
> > > only supports in-place encryption of guest memory, there's no mechanism to
> > > provide a separate buffer to load into guest memory at pre-boot time. I
> > > think you're aware of this but wanted to point that out just in case.
> > 
> > I view it as a performance problem because nothing stops KVM from copying from
> > userspace into the private fd during the SEV ioctl().  What's missing is the
> > ability for userspace to directly initialze the private fd, which may or may not
> > avoid an extra memcpy() depending on how clever userspace is.
> Can you please elaborate more what you see as a performance problem? And
> possible ways to solve it?

Oh, I'm not saying there actually _is_ a performance problem.  What I'm saying is
that in-place encryption is not a functional requirement, which means it's purely
an optimization, and thus we should other bother supporting in-place encryption
_if_ it would solve a performane bottleneck.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-21 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-10 14:08 [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:08 ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:08 ` [PATCH v5 01/13] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:08   ` Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:10   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-11 15:10     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:11     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 13:11       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-23  5:43   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-24  8:15     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-24  8:15       ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 02/13] mm: Introduce memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-29 18:45   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 12:54     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 12:54       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 14:36   ` Hillf Danton
2022-04-13  6:47     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 03/13] mm/shmem: Support memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 23:08   ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-10 23:08     ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-11  8:42     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-11  8:42       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:26   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-11 15:26     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:12     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 13:12       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-19 22:40   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-20  3:24     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-20  3:24       ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 04/13] mm/shmem: Restrict MFD_INACCESSIBLE memory against RLIMIT_MEMLOCK Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-04-07 16:05   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-07 17:09     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-07 17:09       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-08 17:56       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 18:54         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-08 18:54           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-12 14:36           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-12 14:36             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-12 21:27             ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-12 21:27               ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-13 16:30               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-13 16:30                 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-13 16:24             ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-13 16:24               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-13 17:52               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-13 17:52                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-25 14:07                 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-25 14:07                   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-08 13:02     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 13:02       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:34       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-11 15:34         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12  5:14         ` Hugh Dickins
2022-04-11 15:32     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-11 15:32       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:39       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 13:39         ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 19:28         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 19:28           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-13  9:15           ` Chao Peng
2022-04-13  9:15             ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 05/13] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-28 21:27   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:21     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 13:21       ` Chao Peng
2022-03-28 21:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:46     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 13:46       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 17:45       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 06/13] KVM: Use kvm_userspace_memory_region_ext Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-28 22:26   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:58     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 13:58       ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 07/13] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_ERROR exit Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-28 22:33   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:59     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 13:59       ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 08/13] KVM: Use memfile_pfn_ops to obtain pfn for private pages Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-28 23:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 14:07     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 14:07       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-28 12:37     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-28 12:37       ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 09/13] KVM: Handle page fault for private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-29  1:07   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:10     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 12:10       ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 10/13] KVM: Register private memslot to memory backing store Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:01   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:40     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 12:40       ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 11/13] KVM: Zap existing KVM mappings when pages changed in the private fd Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:23   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:43     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 12:43       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-05 23:45   ` Michael Roth
2022-04-08  3:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-19 22:43   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-20  3:17     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-20  3:17       ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 12/13] KVM: Expose KVM_MEM_PRIVATE Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:56     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 12:56       ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 13/13] memfd_create.2: Describe MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09   ` Chao Peng
2022-03-24 15:51 ` [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Quentin Perret
2022-03-28 17:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-28 18:00     ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-28 18:58       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-29 17:01         ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-30  8:58           ` Steven Price
2022-03-30  8:58             ` Steven Price
2022-03-30 10:39             ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-30 17:58               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-31 16:04                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-31 16:04                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-01 14:59                   ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-01 17:14                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-01 18:03                       ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-01 18:24                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-01 19:56                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-01 19:56                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-04 15:01                       ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-04 17:06                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-04 22:04                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-04 22:04                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-05 10:36                             ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-05 17:51                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-05 17:51                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-05 18:30                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-06 18:42                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-06 18:42                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-06 13:05                                 ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-05 18:03                               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-06 10:34                                 ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-22 10:56                                 ` Chao Peng
2022-04-22 10:56                                   ` Chao Peng
2022-04-22 11:06                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-22 11:06                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-24  8:07                                     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-24  8:07                                       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-24 16:59                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-24 16:59                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-25 13:40                                     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-25 13:40                                       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-25 14:52                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-25 14:52                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-25 20:30                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-10 19:18                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-06-10 19:27                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-28 12:29                                         ` Chao Peng
2022-04-28 12:29                                           ` Chao Peng
2022-05-03 11:12                                           ` Quentin Perret
2022-05-09 22:30                                   ` Michael Roth
2022-05-09 23:29                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-21 20:05                                       ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-21 21:19                                         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2022-07-21 21:36                                           ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-23  3:09                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-07-25  9:19                                             ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-03-30 16:18             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-28 20:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-28 20:16   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-28 22:48   ` Nakajima, Jun
2022-03-28 22:48     ` Nakajima, Jun
2022-03-29  0:04     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 21:35   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-12 13:00     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 13:00       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 19:58   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 19:58     ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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