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From: Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com>
To: netdev@kapio-technology.com
Cc: Ivan Vecera <ivecera@redhat.com>, Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Nikolay Aleksandrov <razor@blackwall.org>,
	bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, Roopa Prabhu <roopa@nvidia.com>,
	kuba@kernel.org, Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	davem@davemloft.net
Subject: Re: [Bridge] [PATCH v4 net-next 3/6] drivers: net: dsa: add locked fdb entry flag to drivers
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:08:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YwHZ1J9DZW00aJDU@shredder> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <34dd1318a878494e7ab595f8727c7d7d@kapio-technology.com>

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 11:51:11AM +0200, netdev@kapio-technology.com wrote:
> On 2022-08-14 16:55, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 02:29:48PM +0200, netdev@kapio-technology.com
> > wrote:
> > > On 2022-08-11 13:28, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > I'm talking about roaming, not forwarding. Let's say you have a locked
> > > > > > entry with MAC X pointing to port Y. Now you get a packet with SMAC X
> > > > > > from port Z which is unlocked. Will the FDB entry roam to port Z? I
> > > > > > think it should, but at least in current implementation it seems that
> > > > > > the "locked" flag will not be reset and having locked entries pointing
> > > > > > to an unlocked port looks like a bug.
> 
> I have made the locked entries sticky in the bridge, so that they don't move
> to other ports.

Please make sure that this design choice is explained in the commit
message. To be clear, it cannot be "this is how device X happens to
work".

> 
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > In general I have been thinking that the said setup is a network
> > > configuration error as I was arguing in an earlier conversation with
> > > Vladimir. In this setup we must remember that SMAC X becomes DMAC X
> > > in the
> > > return traffic on the open port. But the question arises to me why
> > > MAC X
> > > would be behind the locked port without getting authed while being
> > > behind an
> > > open port too?
> > > In a real life setup, I don't think you would want random hosts
> > > behind a
> > > locked port in the MAB case, but only the hosts you will let
> > > through. Other
> > > hosts should be regarded as intruders.
> > > 
> > > If we are talking about a station move, then the locked entry will
> > > age out
> > > and MAC X will function normally on the open port after the timeout,
> > > which
> > > was a case that was taken up in earlier discussions.
> > > 
> > > But I will anyhow do some testing with this 'edge case' (of being
> > > behind
> > > both a locked and an unlocked port) if I may call it so, and see to
> > > that the
> > > offloaded and non-offloaded cases correspond to each other, and will
> > > work
> > > satisfactory.
> > 
> > It would be best to implement these as additional test cases in the
> > current selftest. Then you can easily test with both veth pairs and
> > loopbacks and see that the hardware and software data paths behave the
> > same.
> > 
> 
> How many loops would be needed to have a selftest with a HUB and a MAC on
> both a locked and an unlocked port?

I assume you want a hub to simulate multiple MACs behind the same port.
You don't need a hub for that. You can set the MAC using mausezahn. See
'-a' option:

"
   -a <src-mac|keyword>
       Use specified source MAC address with hexadecimal notation such as 00:00:aa:bb:cc:dd.  By default the interface MAC address will be used. The  keywords  ''rand''
       and  ''own''  refer to a random MAC address (only unicast addresses are created) and the own address, respectively. You can also use the keywords mentioned below
       although broadcast-type source addresses are officially invalid.
"

> 
> > > 
> > > I think it will be good to have a flag to enable the mac-auth/MAB
> > > feature,
> > > and I suggest just calling the flag 'mab', as it is short.
> 
> I have now created the flag to enable Mac-Auth/MAB with iproute2:
> bridge link set dev DEV macauth on|off

You have 'macauth' here, but 'mab' in the output below. They need to
match. I prefer the latter unless you have a good reason to use
'macauth'.

> 
> with the example output from 'bridge -d link show dev DEV' when macauth is
> enabled:
> 1: ethX: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state
> forwarding priority 32 cost 19
>     hairpin off guard off root_block off fastleave off learning on flood off
> mcast_flood on bcast_flood on mcast_router 1 mcast_to_unicast off
> neigh_suppress off vlan_tunnel off isolated off locked mab on
> 
> The flag itself in the code is called BR_PORT_MACAUTH.
> 
> > 
> > Fine by me, but I'm not sure everyone agrees.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com>
To: netdev@kapio-technology.com
Cc: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, kuba@kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Ivan Vecera <ivecera@redhat.com>, Roopa Prabhu <roopa@nvidia.com>,
	Nikolay Aleksandrov <razor@blackwall.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 net-next 3/6] drivers: net: dsa: add locked fdb entry flag to drivers
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:08:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YwHZ1J9DZW00aJDU@shredder> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <34dd1318a878494e7ab595f8727c7d7d@kapio-technology.com>

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 11:51:11AM +0200, netdev@kapio-technology.com wrote:
> On 2022-08-14 16:55, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 02:29:48PM +0200, netdev@kapio-technology.com
> > wrote:
> > > On 2022-08-11 13:28, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > I'm talking about roaming, not forwarding. Let's say you have a locked
> > > > > > entry with MAC X pointing to port Y. Now you get a packet with SMAC X
> > > > > > from port Z which is unlocked. Will the FDB entry roam to port Z? I
> > > > > > think it should, but at least in current implementation it seems that
> > > > > > the "locked" flag will not be reset and having locked entries pointing
> > > > > > to an unlocked port looks like a bug.
> 
> I have made the locked entries sticky in the bridge, so that they don't move
> to other ports.

Please make sure that this design choice is explained in the commit
message. To be clear, it cannot be "this is how device X happens to
work".

> 
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > In general I have been thinking that the said setup is a network
> > > configuration error as I was arguing in an earlier conversation with
> > > Vladimir. In this setup we must remember that SMAC X becomes DMAC X
> > > in the
> > > return traffic on the open port. But the question arises to me why
> > > MAC X
> > > would be behind the locked port without getting authed while being
> > > behind an
> > > open port too?
> > > In a real life setup, I don't think you would want random hosts
> > > behind a
> > > locked port in the MAB case, but only the hosts you will let
> > > through. Other
> > > hosts should be regarded as intruders.
> > > 
> > > If we are talking about a station move, then the locked entry will
> > > age out
> > > and MAC X will function normally on the open port after the timeout,
> > > which
> > > was a case that was taken up in earlier discussions.
> > > 
> > > But I will anyhow do some testing with this 'edge case' (of being
> > > behind
> > > both a locked and an unlocked port) if I may call it so, and see to
> > > that the
> > > offloaded and non-offloaded cases correspond to each other, and will
> > > work
> > > satisfactory.
> > 
> > It would be best to implement these as additional test cases in the
> > current selftest. Then you can easily test with both veth pairs and
> > loopbacks and see that the hardware and software data paths behave the
> > same.
> > 
> 
> How many loops would be needed to have a selftest with a HUB and a MAC on
> both a locked and an unlocked port?

I assume you want a hub to simulate multiple MACs behind the same port.
You don't need a hub for that. You can set the MAC using mausezahn. See
'-a' option:

"
   -a <src-mac|keyword>
       Use specified source MAC address with hexadecimal notation such as 00:00:aa:bb:cc:dd.  By default the interface MAC address will be used. The  keywords  ''rand''
       and  ''own''  refer to a random MAC address (only unicast addresses are created) and the own address, respectively. You can also use the keywords mentioned below
       although broadcast-type source addresses are officially invalid.
"

> 
> > > 
> > > I think it will be good to have a flag to enable the mac-auth/MAB
> > > feature,
> > > and I suggest just calling the flag 'mab', as it is short.
> 
> I have now created the flag to enable Mac-Auth/MAB with iproute2:
> bridge link set dev DEV macauth on|off

You have 'macauth' here, but 'mab' in the output below. They need to
match. I prefer the latter unless you have a good reason to use
'macauth'.

> 
> with the example output from 'bridge -d link show dev DEV' when macauth is
> enabled:
> 1: ethX: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state
> forwarding priority 32 cost 19
>     hairpin off guard off root_block off fastleave off learning on flood off
> mcast_flood on bcast_flood on mcast_router 1 mcast_to_unicast off
> neigh_suppress off vlan_tunnel off isolated off locked mab on
> 
> The flag itself in the code is called BR_PORT_MACAUTH.
> 
> > 
> > Fine by me, but I'm not sure everyone agrees.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-21  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-12 12:29 [Bridge] [PATCH v4 net-next 3/6] drivers: net: dsa: add locked fdb entry flag to drivers netdev
2022-08-12 12:29 ` netdev
2022-08-14 14:55 ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2022-08-14 14:55   ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-19  9:51   ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-19  9:51     ` netdev
2022-08-21  7:08     ` Ido Schimmel [this message]
2022-08-21  7:08       ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-21 13:43       ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-21 13:43         ` netdev
2022-08-22  5:40         ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2022-08-22  5:40           ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-22  7:49           ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-22  7:49             ` netdev
2022-08-23  6:48             ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2022-08-23  6:48               ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-23  7:13               ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-23  7:13                 ` netdev
2022-08-23  7:24                 ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2022-08-23  7:24                   ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-23  7:37                   ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-23  7:37                     ` netdev
2022-08-23 12:36                     ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2022-08-23 12:36                       ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-24  7:07                       ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-24  7:07                         ` netdev
2022-08-23 11:41               ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-23 11:41                 ` netdev
2022-08-25  9:36                 ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2022-08-25  9:36                   ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-25 10:28                   ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-25 10:28                     ` netdev
2022-08-25 15:14                   ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-25 15:14                     ` netdev
2022-08-24 20:29       ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-24 20:29         ` netdev
2022-08-25  9:23         ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2022-08-25  9:23           ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-25 10:27           ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-25 10:27             ` netdev
2022-08-25 11:58             ` [Bridge] " Ido Schimmel
2022-08-25 11:58               ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-25 13:41               ` [Bridge] " netdev
2022-08-25 13:41                 ` netdev
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-07-07 15:29 [Bridge] [PATCH v4 net-next 0/6] Extend locked port feature with FDB locked flag (MAC-Auth/MAB) Hans Schultz
2022-07-07 15:29 ` [Bridge] [PATCH v4 net-next 3/6] drivers: net: dsa: add locked fdb entry flag to drivers Hans Schultz
2022-07-08  8:49   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-08  9:06     ` netdev
2022-07-08  9:15       ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-08  9:27         ` netdev
2022-07-08  9:50         ` netdev
2022-07-08 11:56           ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-08 12:34             ` netdev
2022-07-10  8:35               ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-13  7:09                 ` netdev
2022-07-13 12:39                   ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-17 12:21                     ` netdev
2022-07-17 12:57                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-17 13:09                         ` netdev
2022-07-17 13:59                           ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-17 14:57                             ` netdev
2022-07-17 15:08                               ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-17 16:10                                 ` netdev
2022-07-21 11:54                                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-17 15:20                       ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-17 15:53                         ` netdev
2022-07-21 11:59                           ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-21 13:27                             ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-21 14:20                               ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-24 11:10                                 ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-01 11:57                                   ` netdev
2022-08-01 13:14                                   ` netdev
2022-08-02 12:54                             ` netdev
2022-08-01 15:33                     ` netdev
2022-08-09  9:20                       ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-09 20:00                         ` netdev
2022-08-10  7:21                           ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-10  8:40                             ` netdev
2022-08-11 11:28                               ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-12 15:33                                 ` netdev
2022-08-16  7:51                             ` netdev
2022-08-17  6:21                               ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-21 11:51           ` Vladimir Oltean

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