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From: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Nitesh Shetty <nj.shetty@samsung.com>,
	Javier Gonzalez <javier.gonz@samsung.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Keith Busch <kbusch@meta.com>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"io-uring@vger.kernel.org" <io-uring@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"joshi.k@samsung.com" <joshi.k@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv10 0/9] write hints with nvme fdp, scsi streams
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 08:21:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z0iKbPttERXaiexO@kbusch-mbp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq1jzcov5am.fsf@ca-mkp.ca.oracle.com>

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 03:14:09PM -0500, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> 
> Bart,
> 
> > Submitting a copy operation as two bios or two requests means that
> > there is a risk that one of the two operations never reaches the block
> > driver at the bottom of the storage stack and hence that a deadlock
> > occurs. I prefer not to introduce any mechanisms that can cause a
> > deadlock.
> 
> How do you copy a block range without offload? You perform a READ to
> read the data into memory. And once the READ completes, you do a WRITE
> of the data to the new location.
> 
> Token-based copy offload works exactly the same way. You do a POPULATE
> TOKEN which is identical to a READ except you get a cookie instead of
> the actual data. And then once you have the cookie, you perform a WRITE
> USING TOKEN to perform the write operation. Semantically, it's exactly
> the same as a normal copy except for the lack of data movement. That's
> the whole point!

I think of copy a little differently. When you do a normal write
command, the host provides the controller a vector of sources and
lengths. A copy command is like a write command, but the sources are
just logical block addresses instead of memory addresses.

Whatever solution happens, it would be a real shame if it doesn't allow
vectored LBAs. The token based source bio doesn't seem to extend to
that.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-11-28 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-29 15:19 [PATCHv10 0/9] write hints with nvme fdp, scsi streams Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 1/9] block: use generic u16 for write hints Keith Busch
2024-10-29 17:21   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 2/9] block: introduce max_write_hints queue limit Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 3/9] statx: add write hint information Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 4/9] block: allow ability to limit partition write hints Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 17:25   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30  4:46     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 20:11       ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 20:26         ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30 20:37           ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 21:15             ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 5/9] block, fs: add write hint to kiocb Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 6/9] io_uring: enable per-io hinting capability Keith Busch
2024-11-07  2:09   ` Jens Axboe
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 7/9] block: export placement hint feature Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 8/9] nvme: enable FDP support Keith Busch
2024-10-30  0:24   ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-10-29 15:19 ` [PATCHv10 9/9] scsi: set permanent stream count in block limits Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 15:34     ` Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:37       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 15:38         ` Keith Busch
2024-10-29 15:53           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 16:22             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30  4:55               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 15:41                 ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 15:45                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 15:48                     ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 16:42                         ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 16:57                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 17:05                             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 17:15                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 17:23                             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-30 22:32                             ` Keith Busch
2024-10-31  8:19                               ` Hans Holmberg
2024-10-31 13:02                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-31 14:06                                 ` Keith Busch
2024-11-01  7:16                                   ` Hans Holmberg
2024-11-01  8:19                                     ` Javier González
2024-11-01 14:49                                     ` Keith Busch
2024-11-06 14:26                                       ` Hans Holmberg
2024-10-30 16:59                 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30 17:14                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30 17:44                     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-01  1:03                       ` Jaegeuk Kim
2024-10-29 17:18     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-30  5:42       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-29 15:24 ` [PATCHv10 0/9] write hints with nvme fdp, scsi streams Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-05 15:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-06 18:36   ` Keith Busch
2024-11-07 20:36   ` Keith Busch
2024-11-08 14:18     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-08 15:51       ` Keith Busch
2024-11-08 16:54         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-11-08 17:43           ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-08 18:51             ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-11  9:31               ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11 17:45                 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-12 13:52                   ` Nitesh Shetty
2024-11-19  2:03                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-11-25 23:21                       ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-27  2:54                         ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-11-27 18:42                           ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-27 20:14                             ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-11-27 21:06                               ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-28  2:09                                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-11-28  8:51                                   ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-29  6:19                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-29  6:23                                       ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-28  3:24                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-28 15:21                               ` Keith Busch [this message]
2024-11-28 16:40                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-05  8:03                               ` Nitesh Shetty
2024-12-05 20:37                                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-12-10  0:58                                   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-12-10  2:20                                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-12-10  9:53                                       ` Nitesh Shetty
2024-12-10 21:58                                         ` Bart Van Assche
2024-12-10 19:41                                       ` Bart Van Assche
2024-12-11  9:36                                         ` Nitesh Shetty
2024-12-11 17:27                                           ` Bart Van Assche
2024-12-11 19:38                                         ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-12-10  7:12                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-10  8:05                                     ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-12-10 10:58                                       ` hch
2024-12-10 19:21                                         ` Bart Van Assche
2024-12-11  4:07                                           ` Damien Le Moal
2024-12-11 21:06                                             ` Bart Van Assche
2024-12-11 21:21                                               ` Jaegeuk Kim
2024-12-11 19:41                                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2024-12-09 22:13                                 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-12-09 23:13                                   ` Damien Le Moal
2024-12-09 23:31                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-10  0:22                                     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-11  6:51             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-11  9:30               ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11  9:37                 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-11-11  9:41                   ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11  9:42                     ` hch
2024-11-11  9:43                     ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-11-11 10:37                       ` Javier Gonzalez
2024-11-11  6:49           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-11  6:48         ` Christoph Hellwig

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