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From: "Ville Syrjälä" <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com>
To: Sebastian Wick <sebastian.wick@redhat.com>
Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Harry Wentland <harry.wentland@amd.com>,
	Joshua Ashton <joshua@froggi.es>,
	Vitaly.Prosyak@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 09/17] drm/amd/display: Register Colorspace property for DP and HDMI
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 01:01:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZBOf0m6W3ZWPy7nc@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+hFU4zWvm3-SSjtF17zjRnshEDw27gkQDLGZRk2AbnWN8+1Vg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 10:13:54PM +0100, Sebastian Wick wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 1:35 PM Ville Syrjälä
> <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 01:34:49PM +0200, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
> > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 12:47:51 +0200
> > > Ville Syrjälä <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:07:01PM +0200, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 11:50:27 +0200
> > > > > Ville Syrjälä <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 01:37:24AM +0100, Sebastian Wick wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 4:12 PM Harry Wentland <harry.wentland@amd.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We want compositors to be able to set the output
> > > > > > > > colorspace on DP and HDMI outputs, based on the
> > > > > > > > caps reported from the receiver via EDID.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About that... The documentation says that user space has to check the
> > > > > > > EDID for what the sink actually supports. So whatever is in
> > > > > > > supported_colorspaces is just what the driver/hardware is able to set
> > > > > > > but doesn't actually indicate that the sink supports it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So the only way to enable bt2020 is by checking if the sink supports
> > > > > > > both RGB and YUV variants because both could be used by the driver.
> > > > > > > Not great at all. Something to remember for the new property.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmm. I wonder if that's even legal... Looks like maybe it
> > > > > > is since I can't immediately spot anything in CTA-861 to
> > > > > > forbid it :/
> > > > >
> > > > > Wouldn't the driver do the same EDID check before choosing whether it
> > > > > uses RGB or YCbCr signalling?
> > > >
> > > > I suppose it could. The modeset would then fail, which is perhaps
> > >
> > > Could? What are they missing?
> >
> > The fact that the new property that also affects the rgb->ycbcr matrix
> > doesn't even exist?
> 
> I think the question was about the current Colorspace property.
> 
> > >
> > > I mean, drivers are already automatically choosing between RGB and YCbCr
> > > signalling based on e.g. available bandwidth. Surely they already will
> > > not attempt to send a signal format to a monitor that does not say it
> > > supports that?
> 
> That's exactly what they do. The drivers don't check the EDID for the
> colorimetry the sink supports and the responsibility is punted off to
> user space.
> 
> >
> > We just signal default/bt.709 colorimetry. There is nothing to
> > check for those IIRC.
> 
> You do support bt.2020, no?

Not for rgb->ycbcr conversion.

> 
> > >
> > > > not a huge issue, except maybe for suspend+resume if we fail in
> > > > the resume path. Although I guess the EDID/etc. should not yet
> > > > be refreshed at that point so if the modeset worked before suspend
> > > > resume should be able to restore it without failures.
> > >
> > > I assumed that if a monitor can be driven, and it supports any BT2020
> > > format, then it always supports the BT2020 format it is being driven
> > > in (RGB vs. YCbCr flavors). Bad assumption?
> >
> > I didn't spot any rule that both must be there. But didn't look
> > too hard either.
> 
> Didn't see anything like that either and I looked a bit harder as well.
> 
> >
> > --
> > Ville Syrjälä
> > Intel
> >

-- 
Ville Syrjälä
Intel

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Ville Syrjälä" <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com>
To: Sebastian Wick <sebastian.wick@redhat.com>
Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, Joshua Ashton <joshua@froggi.es>,
	Vitaly.Prosyak@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 09/17] drm/amd/display: Register Colorspace property for DP and HDMI
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 01:01:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZBOf0m6W3ZWPy7nc@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+hFU4zWvm3-SSjtF17zjRnshEDw27gkQDLGZRk2AbnWN8+1Vg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 10:13:54PM +0100, Sebastian Wick wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 1:35 PM Ville Syrjälä
> <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 01:34:49PM +0200, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
> > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 12:47:51 +0200
> > > Ville Syrjälä <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:07:01PM +0200, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 11:50:27 +0200
> > > > > Ville Syrjälä <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 01:37:24AM +0100, Sebastian Wick wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 4:12 PM Harry Wentland <harry.wentland@amd.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We want compositors to be able to set the output
> > > > > > > > colorspace on DP and HDMI outputs, based on the
> > > > > > > > caps reported from the receiver via EDID.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About that... The documentation says that user space has to check the
> > > > > > > EDID for what the sink actually supports. So whatever is in
> > > > > > > supported_colorspaces is just what the driver/hardware is able to set
> > > > > > > but doesn't actually indicate that the sink supports it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So the only way to enable bt2020 is by checking if the sink supports
> > > > > > > both RGB and YUV variants because both could be used by the driver.
> > > > > > > Not great at all. Something to remember for the new property.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmm. I wonder if that's even legal... Looks like maybe it
> > > > > > is since I can't immediately spot anything in CTA-861 to
> > > > > > forbid it :/
> > > > >
> > > > > Wouldn't the driver do the same EDID check before choosing whether it
> > > > > uses RGB or YCbCr signalling?
> > > >
> > > > I suppose it could. The modeset would then fail, which is perhaps
> > >
> > > Could? What are they missing?
> >
> > The fact that the new property that also affects the rgb->ycbcr matrix
> > doesn't even exist?
> 
> I think the question was about the current Colorspace property.
> 
> > >
> > > I mean, drivers are already automatically choosing between RGB and YCbCr
> > > signalling based on e.g. available bandwidth. Surely they already will
> > > not attempt to send a signal format to a monitor that does not say it
> > > supports that?
> 
> That's exactly what they do. The drivers don't check the EDID for the
> colorimetry the sink supports and the responsibility is punted off to
> user space.
> 
> >
> > We just signal default/bt.709 colorimetry. There is nothing to
> > check for those IIRC.
> 
> You do support bt.2020, no?

Not for rgb->ycbcr conversion.

> 
> > >
> > > > not a huge issue, except maybe for suspend+resume if we fail in
> > > > the resume path. Although I guess the EDID/etc. should not yet
> > > > be refreshed at that point so if the modeset worked before suspend
> > > > resume should be able to restore it without failures.
> > >
> > > I assumed that if a monitor can be driven, and it supports any BT2020
> > > format, then it always supports the BT2020 format it is being driven
> > > in (RGB vs. YCbCr flavors). Bad assumption?
> >
> > I didn't spot any rule that both must be there. But didn't look
> > too hard either.
> 
> Didn't see anything like that either and I looked a bit harder as well.
> 
> >
> > --
> > Ville Syrjälä
> > Intel
> >

-- 
Ville Syrjälä
Intel

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-16 23:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-07 15:10 [PATCH v3 00/17] Enable Colorspace connector property in amdgpu Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10 ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 01/17] drm/connector: Convert DRM_MODE_COLORIMETRY to enum Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:13   ` Simon Ser
2023-03-07 15:13     ` Simon Ser
2023-03-07 15:29     ` [PATCH v4 " Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:29       ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-08  8:21       ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-08  8:21         ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-07 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 02/17] drm/connector: Add enum documentation to drm_colorspace Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-08  8:59   ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-08  8:59     ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-09  0:56     ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-09  0:56       ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-09 10:03       ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-09 10:03         ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-09 20:23         ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-09 20:23           ` Sebastian Wick
2023-05-24 17:00     ` Harry Wentland
2023-05-24 17:00       ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 03/17] drm/connector: Deprecate split for BT.2020 in drm_colorspace enum Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-08  9:09   ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-08  9:09     ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-09  1:05     ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-09  1:05       ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-09  1:10       ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-09  1:10         ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-05-24 17:01     ` Harry Wentland
2023-05-24 17:01       ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 04/17] drm/connector: Pull out common create_colorspace_property code Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 05/17] drm/connector: Use common colorspace_names array Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-08  9:15   ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-08  9:15     ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-09  1:39   ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-09  1:39     ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-07 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 06/17] drm/connector: Print connector colorspace in state debugfs Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-08  9:19   ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-08  9:19     ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-07 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 07/17] drm/connector: Allow drivers to pass list of supported colorspaces Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 08/17] drm/amd/display: Always pass connector_state to stream validation Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 09/17] drm/amd/display: Register Colorspace property for DP and HDMI Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:10   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-08  9:24   ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-05-24 18:16     ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-16  0:37   ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-16  9:50     ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-16  9:50       ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-16 10:07       ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-16 10:07         ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-16 10:47         ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-16 10:47           ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-16 11:34           ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-16 11:34             ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-16 12:35             ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-16 12:35               ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-16 21:13               ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-16 21:13                 ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-16 23:01                 ` Ville Syrjälä [this message]
2023-03-16 23:01                   ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-17  8:53                   ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-17  8:53                     ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-17 12:50                     ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-17 12:50                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-17 13:35                       ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-17 13:35                         ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-17 13:53                         ` Joshua Ashton
2023-03-17 13:53                           ` Joshua Ashton
2023-05-24 19:51                           ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-17 14:14                         ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-17 14:14                           ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-17 15:37                           ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-17 15:37                             ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-17 16:33                             ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-17 16:33                               ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-17 17:40                               ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-17 17:40                                 ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-17 18:38                                 ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-17 18:38                                   ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-17 18:47                                   ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-17 18:47                                     ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-17 19:13                                     ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-17 19:13                                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2023-03-07 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 10/17] drm/amd/display: Signal mode_changed if colorspace changed Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 11/17] drm/amd/display: Send correct DP colorspace infopacket Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-09  1:58   ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-07 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 12/17] drm/amd/display: Always set crtcinfo from create_stream_for_sink Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 13/17] drm/amd/display: Add support for explicit BT601_YCC Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 14/17] drm/amd/display: Add debugfs for testing output colorspace Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-08  9:30   ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-09  2:05   ` Sebastian Wick
2023-03-07 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 15/17] drm/amd/display: Add default case for output_color_space switch Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-08  9:35   ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-07 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 16/17] drm/amd/display: Fallback to 2020_YCBCR if the pixel encoding is not RGB Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 17/17] drm/amd/display: Refactor avi_info_frame colorimetry determination Harry Wentland
2023-03-07 15:11   ` Harry Wentland
2023-03-08  9:38 ` [PATCH v3 00/17] Enable Colorspace connector property in amdgpu Pekka Paalanen
2023-03-08  9:38   ` Pekka Paalanen

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