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From: Gregory Price <gregory.price@memverge.com>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: Gregory Price <gourry.memverge@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	oleg@redhat.com, avagin@gmail.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	luto@kernel.org, krisman@collabora.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	corbet@lwn.net, shuah@kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de, will@kernel.org,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, tongtiangen@huawei.com,
	robin.murphy@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 1/4] asm-generic,arm64: create task variant of access_ok
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 00:34:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZCO/vNYlGdwthZX2@memverge.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZCRl2ZDsNK2nKAfy@arm.com>

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 12:48:08PM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> > diff --git a/arch/arm64/include/asm/uaccess.h b/arch/arm64/include/asm/uaccess.h
> > index 5c7b2f9d5913..1a51a54f264f 100644
> > --- a/arch/arm64/include/asm/uaccess.h
> > +++ b/arch/arm64/include/asm/uaccess.h
> > @@ -35,7 +35,9 @@ static inline int __access_ok(const void __user *ptr, unsigned long size);
> >   * This is equivalent to the following test:
> >   * (u65)addr + (u65)size <= (u65)TASK_SIZE_MAX
> >   */
> > -static inline int access_ok(const void __user *addr, unsigned long size)
> > +static inline int task_access_ok(struct task_struct *task,
> > +				 const void __user *addr,
> > +				 unsigned long size)
> >  {
> >  	/*
> >  	 * Asynchronous I/O running in a kernel thread does not have the
> > @@ -43,11 +45,18 @@ static inline int access_ok(const void __user *addr, unsigned long size)
> >  	 * the user address before checking.
> >  	 */
> >  	if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_TAGGED_ADDR_ABI) &&
> > -	    (current->flags & PF_KTHREAD || test_thread_flag(TIF_TAGGED_ADDR)))
> > +	    (task->flags & PF_KTHREAD || test_ti_thread_flag(task, TIF_TAGGED_ADDR)))
> >  		addr = untagged_addr(addr);
> >  
> >  	return likely(__access_ok(addr, size));
> >  }
> > +
> > +static inline int access_ok(const void __user *addr, unsigned long size)
> > +{
> > +	return task_access_ok(current, addr, size);
> > +}
> > +
> > +#define task_access_ok task_access_ok
> 
> I'd not bother with this at all. In the generic code you can either do
> an __access_ok() check directly or just
> access_ok(untagged_addr(selector), ...) with a comment that address
> tagging of the ptraced task may not be enabled.
> 
> -- 
> Catalin

This was my original proposal, but the comment that lead to this patch
was the following:

"""
If this would be correct, then access_ok() on arm64 would
unconditionally untag the checked address, but it does not. Simply
because untagging is only valid if the task enabled pointer tagging. If
it didn't a tagged pointer is obviously invalid.

Why would ptrace make this suddenly valid?
"""

https://lore.kernel.org/all/87a605anvx.ffs@tglx/

I did not have a sufficient answer for this so I went down this path.

It does seem simpler to simply untag the address, however it didn't seem
like a good solution to simply leave an identified bad edge case.

with access_ok(untagged_addr(addr), ...) it breaks down like this:

(tracer,tracee) : result 

tag,tag     : untagged - (correct)
tag,untag   : untagged - incorrect as this would have been an impossible
              state to reach through the standard prctl interface.  Will
	      lead to a SIGSEGV in the tracee upon next syscall
untag,tag   : untagged - (correct)
untag,untag : no-op - (correct), tagged address will fail to set

Basically if the tracer is a tagged process while the tracee is not, it
would become possible to set the tracee's selector to a tagged pointer.

It's beyond me to say whether or not this situation is "ok" and "the
user's fault", but it does feel like an addressable problem.

Thoughts?
~Gregory

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Gregory Price <gregory.price@memverge.com>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: Gregory Price <gourry.memverge@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	oleg@redhat.com, avagin@gmail.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	luto@kernel.org, krisman@collabora.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	corbet@lwn.net, shuah@kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de, will@kernel.org,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, tongtiangen@huawei.com,
	robin.murphy@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 1/4] asm-generic,arm64: create task variant of access_ok
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 00:34:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZCO/vNYlGdwthZX2@memverge.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZCRl2ZDsNK2nKAfy@arm.com>

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 12:48:08PM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> > diff --git a/arch/arm64/include/asm/uaccess.h b/arch/arm64/include/asm/uaccess.h
> > index 5c7b2f9d5913..1a51a54f264f 100644
> > --- a/arch/arm64/include/asm/uaccess.h
> > +++ b/arch/arm64/include/asm/uaccess.h
> > @@ -35,7 +35,9 @@ static inline int __access_ok(const void __user *ptr, unsigned long size);
> >   * This is equivalent to the following test:
> >   * (u65)addr + (u65)size <= (u65)TASK_SIZE_MAX
> >   */
> > -static inline int access_ok(const void __user *addr, unsigned long size)
> > +static inline int task_access_ok(struct task_struct *task,
> > +				 const void __user *addr,
> > +				 unsigned long size)
> >  {
> >  	/*
> >  	 * Asynchronous I/O running in a kernel thread does not have the
> > @@ -43,11 +45,18 @@ static inline int access_ok(const void __user *addr, unsigned long size)
> >  	 * the user address before checking.
> >  	 */
> >  	if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_TAGGED_ADDR_ABI) &&
> > -	    (current->flags & PF_KTHREAD || test_thread_flag(TIF_TAGGED_ADDR)))
> > +	    (task->flags & PF_KTHREAD || test_ti_thread_flag(task, TIF_TAGGED_ADDR)))
> >  		addr = untagged_addr(addr);
> >  
> >  	return likely(__access_ok(addr, size));
> >  }
> > +
> > +static inline int access_ok(const void __user *addr, unsigned long size)
> > +{
> > +	return task_access_ok(current, addr, size);
> > +}
> > +
> > +#define task_access_ok task_access_ok
> 
> I'd not bother with this at all. In the generic code you can either do
> an __access_ok() check directly or just
> access_ok(untagged_addr(selector), ...) with a comment that address
> tagging of the ptraced task may not be enabled.
> 
> -- 
> Catalin

This was my original proposal, but the comment that lead to this patch
was the following:

"""
If this would be correct, then access_ok() on arm64 would
unconditionally untag the checked address, but it does not. Simply
because untagging is only valid if the task enabled pointer tagging. If
it didn't a tagged pointer is obviously invalid.

Why would ptrace make this suddenly valid?
"""

https://lore.kernel.org/all/87a605anvx.ffs@tglx/

I did not have a sufficient answer for this so I went down this path.

It does seem simpler to simply untag the address, however it didn't seem
like a good solution to simply leave an identified bad edge case.

with access_ok(untagged_addr(addr), ...) it breaks down like this:

(tracer,tracee) : result 

tag,tag     : untagged - (correct)
tag,untag   : untagged - incorrect as this would have been an impossible
              state to reach through the standard prctl interface.  Will
	      lead to a SIGSEGV in the tracee upon next syscall
untag,tag   : untagged - (correct)
untag,untag : no-op - (correct), tagged address will fail to set

Basically if the tracer is a tagged process while the tracee is not, it
would become possible to set the tracee's selector to a tagged pointer.

It's beyond me to say whether or not this situation is "ok" and "the
user's fault", but it does feel like an addressable problem.

Thoughts?
~Gregory

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-29 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-28 16:48 [PATCH v14 0/4] Checkpoint Support for Syscall User Dispatch Gregory Price
2023-03-28 16:48 ` Gregory Price
2023-03-28 16:48 ` [PATCH v14 1/4] asm-generic,arm64: create task variant of access_ok Gregory Price
2023-03-28 16:48   ` Gregory Price
2023-03-28 18:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-28 18:46     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 15:15   ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29 15:15     ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29 15:41     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 15:41       ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 16:03       ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29 16:03         ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29  3:56         ` Gregory Price
2023-03-29  3:56           ` Gregory Price
2023-03-29 17:13           ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29 17:13             ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29  5:37             ` Gregory Price
2023-03-29  5:37               ` Gregory Price
2023-03-29 17:58               ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29 17:58                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29  5:54                 ` Gregory Price
2023-03-29  5:54                   ` Gregory Price
2023-03-29 18:13                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29 18:13                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29 10:02                 ` Gregory Price
2023-03-29 10:02                   ` Gregory Price
2023-03-29 23:54                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29 23:54                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-29 18:29         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 18:29           ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 16:22   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-03-29 16:22     ` Catalin Marinas
2023-03-29  4:34     ` Gregory Price [this message]
2023-03-29  4:34       ` Gregory Price
2023-03-30 14:05       ` Catalin Marinas
2023-03-30 14:05         ` Catalin Marinas
2023-03-30  4:18         ` Gregory Price
2023-03-30  4:18           ` Gregory Price
2023-03-28 16:48 ` [PATCH v14 2/4] syscall_user_dispatch: helper function to operate on given task Gregory Price
2023-03-28 16:48   ` Gregory Price
2023-03-28 16:48 ` [PATCH v14 3/4] ptrace,syscall_user_dispatch: checkpoint/restore support for SUD Gregory Price
2023-03-28 16:48   ` Gregory Price
2023-03-28 16:48 ` [PATCH v14 4/4] selftest,ptrace: Add selftest for syscall user dispatch config api Gregory Price
2023-03-28 16:48   ` Gregory Price

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