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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH printk v1 03/18] printk: Consolidate console deferred printing
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 17:15:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZDgcqqLNZuvsbgET@alley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871qln7cle.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>

On Fri 2023-03-17 14:11:01, John Ogness wrote:
> On 2023-03-08, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> >> --- a/kernel/printk/printk.c
> >> +++ b/kernel/printk/printk.c
> >> @@ -2321,7 +2321,10 @@ asmlinkage int vprintk_emit(int facility, int level,
> >>  		preempt_enable();
> >>  	}
> >>  
> >> -	wake_up_klogd();
> >> +	if (in_sched)
> >> +		defer_console_output();
> >> +	else
> >> +		wake_up_klogd();
> >
> > Nit: I would add an empty line here. Or I would move this up into the
> >      previous if (in_sched()) condition.
> 
> Empty line is ok. I do not want to move it up because the above
> condition gets more complicated later. IMHO a simple if/else for
> specifying what the irq_work should do is the most straight forward
> here.
> 
> >> @@ -3811,11 +3814,30 @@ static void __wake_up_klogd(int val)
> >>  	preempt_enable();
> >>  }
> >>  
> >> +/**
> >> + * wake_up_klogd - Wake kernel logging daemon
> >> + *
> >> + * Use this function when new records have been added to the ringbuffer
> >> + * and the console printing for those records is handled elsewhere. In
> >
> > "elsewhere" is ambiguous. I would write:
> >
> > "and the console printing for those records maybe handled in this context".
> 
> The reason for using the word "elsewhere" is because in later patches it
> is also the printing threads that can handle it. I can change it to
> "this context" for this patch, but then after adding threads I will need
> to adjust the comment again. How about:
> 
> "and the console printing for those records should not be handled by the
> irq_work context because another context will handle it."

It is better but still a bit hard to follow. As a reader, I see three
contexts:

   + context that calls wake_up_klogd()
   + irq_work context
   + another context that would handle the console printing

The confusing part is that the "another context". It might be the
context calling wake_up_klogd(). If feels like scratching
right ear by left hand ;-)

In fact, also the next sentence "In this case only the logging
daemon needs to be woken." is misleading. Also the printk
kthreads need to be woken but it is done by another function.

OK, what about?

 * wake_up_klogd - Wake kernel logging daemon
 *
 * Use this function when new records have been added to the ringbuffer
 * and the console printing does not have to be deferred to irq_work
 * context. This function will only wake the logging daemons.


Heh, the "wake_up_klogd_work" has became confusing since it started
handling deferred console output. And it is even more confusing now
when it does not handle the kthreads which are yet another deferred
output. But I can't think of any reasonable solution at the moment.

Maybe, we should somehow distinguish the API that will handle only
the legacy consoles. For example, suspend_console() handles both
but console_flush_all() will handle only the legacy ones.

I think that we are going to use nbcon_ prefix for the API
handling the new consoles. Maybe we could use another prefix
for the legacy-consoles-specific API.

Hmm, what about?

    + "bcon_" like the opposite of "nbcon_" but it might be
      confused with boot console

    + "lcon_" like "legacy" or "locked" consoles

    + "scon" like synchronized or serialized consoles.


Honestly, I am not sure how much important this is. But it might
be pretty helpful for anyone who would try to understand the code
in the future. And this rework might be really challenging for
future archaeologists. Not to say, that legacy consoles will
likely stay with us many years, maybe decades.

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-13 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-02 19:56 [PATCH printk v1 00/18] threaded/atomic console support John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 01/18] kdb: do not assume write() callback available John Ogness
2023-03-07 14:57   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-07 16:34   ` Doug Anderson
2023-03-09 10:52   ` Daniel Thompson
2023-03-09 11:26     ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-09 11:30       ` Daniel Thompson
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 02/18] printk: Add NMI check to down_trylock_console_sem() John Ogness
2023-03-07 16:05   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 11:37     ` John Ogness
2023-04-13 13:42       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 03/18] printk: Consolidate console deferred printing John Ogness
2023-03-08 13:15   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:05     ` John Ogness
2023-04-13 15:15       ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 04/18] printk: Add per-console suspended state John Ogness
2023-03-08 14:40   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:22     ` John Ogness
2023-04-14  9:56       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 05/18] printk: Add non-BKL console basic infrastructure John Ogness
2023-03-09 14:08   ` global states: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:29     ` John Ogness
2023-03-09 15:32   ` naming: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:39     ` John Ogness
2023-03-21 16:04   ` union: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-27 16:28     ` John Ogness
2023-03-28  8:20       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28  9:42         ` John Ogness
2023-03-28 12:52           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:47           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 06/18] printk: nobkl: Add acquire/release logic John Ogness
2023-03-06  9:07   ` Dan Carpenter
2023-03-06  9:39     ` John Ogness
2023-03-13 16:07   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 14:56     ` John Ogness
2023-03-20 16:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 17:34   ` simplify: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-21 15:36     ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-02 18:39       ` John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 07/18] printk: nobkl: Add buffer management John Ogness
2023-03-21 16:38   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-23 13:38     ` John Ogness
2023-03-23 15:25       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 08/18] printk: nobkl: Add sequence handling John Ogness
2023-03-27 15:45   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 09/18] printk: nobkl: Add print state functions John Ogness
2023-03-29 13:58   ` buffer write race: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-29 14:33     ` John Ogness
2023-03-30 11:54       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-29 14:05   ` misc details: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 10/18] printk: nobkl: Add emit function and callback functions for atomic printing John Ogness
2023-03-03  0:19   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-03 10:55     ` John Ogness
2023-03-31 10:29   ` dropped handling: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-31 10:36   ` semantic: " Petr Mladek
     [not found]     ` <87edp29kvq.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>
     [not found]       ` <ZCraqrkqFtsfLWuP@alley>
     [not found]         ` <87ilecsrvl.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>
2023-04-04 14:09           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 11/18] printk: nobkl: Introduce printer threads John Ogness
2023-03-03  1:23   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-03 10:56     ` John Ogness
2023-04-05 10:48   ` boot console: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-06  8:09   ` wakeup synchronization: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-06  9:46   ` port lock: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-20  9:55     ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-20 10:33       ` John Ogness
2023-04-20 13:33         ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-21 16:15           ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-06 13:19   ` misc: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-13 13:28   ` (k)thread: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 12/18] printk: nobkl: Add printer thread wakeups John Ogness
2023-04-12  9:38   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 13/18] printk: nobkl: Add write context storage for atomic writes John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 14/18] printk: nobkl: Provide functions for atomic write enforcement John Ogness
2023-04-12 14:53   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 15/18] printk: nobkl: Stop threads on shutdown/reboot John Ogness
2023-04-13  9:03   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 16/18] kernel/panic: Add atomic write enforcement to warn/panic John Ogness
2023-04-13 10:08   ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-13 12:13     ` John Ogness
2023-04-14 10:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 17/18] rcu: Add atomic write enforcement for rcu stalls John Ogness
2023-04-13 12:10   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 18/18] printk: Perform atomic flush in console_flush_on_panic() John Ogness
2023-04-13 12:20   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:58 ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] serial: 8250: implement non-BKL console John Ogness
2023-03-28 13:33   ` locking API: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:57     ` John Ogness
2023-03-28 15:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 21:47         ` John Ogness
2023-03-29  8:03           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:59   ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] POC: serial: 8250: implement nbcon console John Ogness
2023-03-09 10:55 ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] threaded/atomic console support Daniel Thompson
2023-03-09 11:14   ` John Ogness

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