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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Guilherme G. Piccoli" <gpiccoli@igalia.com>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	David Gow <davidgow@google.com>,
	Tiezhu Yang <yangtiezhu@loongson.cn>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	tangmeng <tangmeng@uniontech.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH printk v1 16/18] kernel/panic: Add atomic write enforcement to warn/panic
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 12:10:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZDkmenNlwfkTyFIp@alley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h6tk3rqe.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>

On Thu 2023-04-13 14:19:13, John Ogness wrote:
> On 2023-04-13, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> >> --- a/kernel/panic.c
> >> +++ b/kernel/panic.c
> >> @@ -329,6 +332,8 @@ void panic(const char *fmt, ...)
> >>  	if (_crash_kexec_post_notifiers)
> >>  		__crash_kexec(NULL);
> >>  
> >> +	cons_atomic_flush(NULL, true);
> >
> > Do we need to explicitly flush the messages here?
> 
> This is where the atomic printing actually starts (after the full dump
> has been inserted into the ringbuffer).
> 
> > cons_atomic_flush() is called also from vprintk_emit(). And there are
> > many messages printed with the PANIC priority above.
> 
> vprintk_emit() does not print in this case. From cons_atomic_flush():
> 
>         /*
>          * When in an elevated priority, the printk() calls are not
>          * individually flushed. This is to allow the full output to
>          * be dumped to the ringbuffer before starting with printing
>          * the backlog.
>          */
>         if (cpu_state->prio > NBCON_PRIO_NORMAL && printk_caller_wctxt)
>                 return;

OK, what is the motivation for this behavior, please?
Does it has any advantages?

> 
> > This makes an assumption that either printk() in PANIC context
> > does not try to show the messages immediately or that this
> > explicit console_atomic_flush() tries harder. I think
> > that both assumptions are wrong.
> 
> Both assumptions are correct, because until this point there has been no
> effort to print.

Honestly, this makes me nervous. It means that panic() messages will
not reach the console unless they are explicitly flushed.

First, it is error-prone because it requires calling
console_atomic_flush() in all relevant code paths on the right
locations.

Second, it expects that panic() code could never fail between
the explicit console_atomic_flush() calls. If it failed, it might
be pretty useful to see the last printed message.

Third, messages might get lost when there are too many. And it is
realistic. For example, see panic_print_sys_info() it might add
quite long reports.

I would really prefer to flush atomic consoles with every printk()
unless there is a really good reason not to do it.

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-14 10:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-02 19:56 [PATCH printk v1 00/18] threaded/atomic console support John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 01/18] kdb: do not assume write() callback available John Ogness
2023-03-07 14:57   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-07 16:34   ` Doug Anderson
2023-03-09 10:52   ` Daniel Thompson
2023-03-09 11:26     ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-09 11:30       ` Daniel Thompson
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 02/18] printk: Add NMI check to down_trylock_console_sem() John Ogness
2023-03-07 16:05   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 11:37     ` John Ogness
2023-04-13 13:42       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 03/18] printk: Consolidate console deferred printing John Ogness
2023-03-08 13:15   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:05     ` John Ogness
2023-04-13 15:15       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 04/18] printk: Add per-console suspended state John Ogness
2023-03-08 14:40   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:22     ` John Ogness
2023-04-14  9:56       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 05/18] printk: Add non-BKL console basic infrastructure John Ogness
2023-03-09 14:08   ` global states: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:29     ` John Ogness
2023-03-09 15:32   ` naming: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:39     ` John Ogness
2023-03-21 16:04   ` union: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-27 16:28     ` John Ogness
2023-03-28  8:20       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28  9:42         ` John Ogness
2023-03-28 12:52           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:47           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 06/18] printk: nobkl: Add acquire/release logic John Ogness
2023-03-06  9:07   ` Dan Carpenter
2023-03-06  9:39     ` John Ogness
2023-03-13 16:07   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 14:56     ` John Ogness
2023-03-20 16:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 17:34   ` simplify: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-21 15:36     ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-02 18:39       ` John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 07/18] printk: nobkl: Add buffer management John Ogness
2023-03-21 16:38   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-23 13:38     ` John Ogness
2023-03-23 15:25       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 08/18] printk: nobkl: Add sequence handling John Ogness
2023-03-27 15:45   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 09/18] printk: nobkl: Add print state functions John Ogness
2023-03-29 13:58   ` buffer write race: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-29 14:33     ` John Ogness
2023-03-30 11:54       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-29 14:05   ` misc details: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 10/18] printk: nobkl: Add emit function and callback functions for atomic printing John Ogness
2023-03-03  0:19   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-03 10:55     ` John Ogness
2023-03-31 10:29   ` dropped handling: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-31 10:36   ` semantic: " Petr Mladek
     [not found]     ` <87edp29kvq.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>
     [not found]       ` <ZCraqrkqFtsfLWuP@alley>
     [not found]         ` <87ilecsrvl.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>
2023-04-04 14:09           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 11/18] printk: nobkl: Introduce printer threads John Ogness
2023-03-03  1:23   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-03 10:56     ` John Ogness
2023-04-05 10:48   ` boot console: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-06  8:09   ` wakeup synchronization: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-06  9:46   ` port lock: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-20  9:55     ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-20 10:33       ` John Ogness
2023-04-20 13:33         ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-21 16:15           ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-06 13:19   ` misc: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-13 13:28   ` (k)thread: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 12/18] printk: nobkl: Add printer thread wakeups John Ogness
2023-04-12  9:38   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 13/18] printk: nobkl: Add write context storage for atomic writes John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 14/18] printk: nobkl: Provide functions for atomic write enforcement John Ogness
2023-04-12 14:53   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 15/18] printk: nobkl: Stop threads on shutdown/reboot John Ogness
2023-04-13  9:03   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 16/18] kernel/panic: Add atomic write enforcement to warn/panic John Ogness
2023-04-13 10:08   ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-13 12:13     ` John Ogness
2023-04-14 10:10       ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 17/18] rcu: Add atomic write enforcement for rcu stalls John Ogness
2023-04-13 12:10   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 18/18] printk: Perform atomic flush in console_flush_on_panic() John Ogness
2023-04-13 12:20   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:58 ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] serial: 8250: implement non-BKL console John Ogness
2023-03-28 13:33   ` locking API: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:57     ` John Ogness
2023-03-28 15:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 21:47         ` John Ogness
2023-03-29  8:03           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:59   ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] POC: serial: 8250: implement nbcon console John Ogness
2023-03-09 10:55 ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] threaded/atomic console support Daniel Thompson
2023-03-09 11:14   ` John Ogness

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