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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Chandan Babu R <chandan.babu@oracle.com>,
	"Darrick J . Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] locking: Add rwsem_is_write_locked()
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 10:55:48 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZP5llBaVrJteHQf3@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZP5OfhXhPkntaEkc@casper.infradead.org>

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 12:17:18AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 08:56:45AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 08, 2023 at 12:44:34PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > Agreed, and this is fine. However there's been some very creative
> > > 'use' of the _is_locked() class of functions in the past that did not
> > > follow 'common' sense.
> > > 
> > > If all usage was: I should be holding this, lets check. I probably
> > > wouldn't have this bad feeling about things.
> > 
> > So your argument against such an interface is essentially "we can't
> > have nice things because someone might abuse them"?
> 
> Some people are very creative ...

Sure, but that's no reason to stop anyone else from making progress.

> I was thinking about how to handle this better.  We could have
> 
> static inline void rwsem_assert_locked(const struct rw_semaphore *sem)
> {
> 	BUG_ON(atomic_long_read(&sem->count) == 0);
> }
> 
> static inline void rwsem_assert_write_locked(const struct rw_semaphore *sem)
> {
> 	BUG_ON((atomic_long_read(&sem->count) & 1) != 1);
> }

We already have CONFIG_DEBUG_RWSEMS, so we can put these
introspection interfaces inside debug code, and make any attempt to
use them outside of debug builds break the build. e.g:

#if DEBUG_RWSEMS
/*
 * rwsem locked checks can only be used by conditionally compiled
 * subsystem debug code. It is not valid to use them in normal
 * production code.
 */
static inline bool rwsem_is_write_locked()
{
	....
}

static inline bool rwsem_is_locked()
{
	....
}
#else /* !DEBUG_RWSEMS */
#define rwsem_is_write_locked()		BUILD_BUG()
#define rwsem_is_locked()		BUILD_BUG()
#endif /* DEBUG_RWSEMS */

And now we simply add a single line to subsystem Kconfig debug
options to turn on rwsem introspection for their debug checks like
so:

 config XFS_DEBUG
 	bool "XFS Debugging support"
 	depends on XFS_FS
+	select RWSEM_DEBUG
 	help
 	  Say Y here to get an XFS build with many debugging features,
 	  including ASSERT checks, function wrappers around macros,

> but then we'd also need to change how XFS currently uses the ASSERT()
> macro to be ASSERT_LOCKED(ip, flags), and I understand this code is also
> used in userspace, so it'd involve changing that shim, and we're getting
> way past the amount of code I'm comfortable changing, and way past the
> amount of time I should be spending on this.
> 
> And then there'd be the inevitable bikeshedding about "don't use BUG_ON"
> and it's probably just for the best if I walk away at this point,
> becoming the third person to fail to remove the mrlock.

Yeah, which further points out how ridiculous the situation is. This
is useful debug code and it can *obviously* and *easily* be
constrained to debug environments.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-11  0:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-07 17:47 [PATCH 0/5] Remove the XFS mrlock Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-09-07 17:47 ` [PATCH 1/5] locking: Add rwsem_is_write_locked() Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-09-07 18:05   ` Waiman Long
2023-09-07 19:33     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-07 21:06       ` Waiman Long
2023-09-07 23:47         ` Waiman Long
2023-09-08  0:44           ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07 19:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 19:20     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-07 19:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 23:00         ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-08 10:44           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-10 22:56             ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-10 23:17               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-11  0:55                 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2023-09-11  2:15                   ` Waiman Long
2023-09-11 22:29                     ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-12  9:03                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 12:28                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-12 13:52                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 13:58                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-12 14:23                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 15:27                                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-13  8:59                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 14:02                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 23:16                         ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-08  0:01         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-07 17:47 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm: Use rwsem_is_write_locked in mmap_assert_write_locked Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-09-07 17:47 ` [PATCH 3/5] xfs: Use rwsem_is_write_locked() Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-09-08  9:09   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08  9:10     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-07 17:47 ` [PATCH 4/5] xfs: Remove mrlock wrapper Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-09-07 17:47 ` [PATCH 5/5] xfs: Stop using lockdep to assert that locks are held Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)

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