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From: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Fang Xiang <fangxiang3@xiaomi.com>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] dt-bindings: interrupt-controller: arm,gic-v3: Add dma-noncoherent property
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:22:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZPcdkob6L8RbUVP3@lpieralisi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <932355b4-7d43-a465-a2da-8dded8e2d069@arm.com>

On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 12:17:51PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
> On 05/09/2023 11:47 am, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> > The GIC v3 specifications allow redistributors and ITSes interconnect
> > ports used to access memory to be wired up in a way that makes the
> > respective initiators/memory observers non-coherent.
> > 
> > Add the standard dma-noncoherent property to the GICv3 bindings to
> > allow firmware to describe the redistributors/ITSes components and
> > interconnect ports behaviour in system designs where the redistributors
> > and ITSes are not coherent with the CPU.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>
> > Cc: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
> > ---
> >   .../bindings/interrupt-controller/arm,gic-v3.yaml         | 8 ++++++++
> >   1 file changed, 8 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/interrupt-controller/arm,gic-v3.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/interrupt-controller/arm,gic-v3.yaml
> > index 39e64c7f6360..0a81ae4519a6 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/interrupt-controller/arm,gic-v3.yaml
> > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/interrupt-controller/arm,gic-v3.yaml
> > @@ -106,6 +106,10 @@ properties:
> >       $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> >       maximum: 4096
> > +  dma-noncoherent:
> > +    description: |
> > +      Present if the GIC redistributors are not cache coherent with the CPU.
> 
> I wonder if it's worth being a bit more specific here, e.g. "if the GIC
> {redistributors,ITS} permit programming cacheable inner-shareable memory
> attributes, but are connected to a non-coherent downstream interconnect."

In my opinion it is and I wanted to elaborate on what I wrote but then I
thought that this is a standard DT property, I wasn't sure whether we
really need to explain what it is there for.

We are using the property to plug a hole so I agree with you, we should
be as clear as possible in the property definition but I will rely on
Rob/Marc's opinion, I don't know what's the DT policy for this.

> That might help clarify why the negative property, which could seem a bit
> backwards at first glance, and that it's not so important in the cases where
> the GIC itself is fundamentally non-coherent anyway (which *is*
> software-discoverable).

Is it ? Again, see above, are we defining "dma-noncoherent" to fix a bug
or to fix the specs ? The shareability bits are writeable and even a
fundamentally non-coherent GIC design could allow writing them, AFAIU.

I would avoid putting ourselves into a corner where we can't use
this property because the binding itself is too strict on what it is
solving.
 
> Otherwise, this is the same approach that I like and have previously lobbied
> for, so obviously I approve :)
> 
> (plus I do think it's the right shape to be able to slot an equivalent field
> into ACPI MADT entries without *too* much bother)

We are in agreement, let's see what others think.

Thanks,
Lorenzo

> 
> Thanks,
> Robin.
> 
> > +
> >     msi-controller:
> >       description:
> >         Only present if the Message Based Interrupt functionality is
> > @@ -193,6 +197,10 @@ patternProperties:
> >         compatible:
> >           const: arm,gic-v3-its
> > +      dma-noncoherent:
> > +        description: |
> > +          Present if the GIC ITS is not cache coherent with the CPU.
> > +
> >         msi-controller: true
> >         "#msi-cells":
> 
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From: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Fang Xiang <fangxiang3@xiaomi.com>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] dt-bindings: interrupt-controller: arm,gic-v3: Add dma-noncoherent property
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:22:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZPcdkob6L8RbUVP3@lpieralisi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <932355b4-7d43-a465-a2da-8dded8e2d069@arm.com>

On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 12:17:51PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
> On 05/09/2023 11:47 am, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> > The GIC v3 specifications allow redistributors and ITSes interconnect
> > ports used to access memory to be wired up in a way that makes the
> > respective initiators/memory observers non-coherent.
> > 
> > Add the standard dma-noncoherent property to the GICv3 bindings to
> > allow firmware to describe the redistributors/ITSes components and
> > interconnect ports behaviour in system designs where the redistributors
> > and ITSes are not coherent with the CPU.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>
> > Cc: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
> > ---
> >   .../bindings/interrupt-controller/arm,gic-v3.yaml         | 8 ++++++++
> >   1 file changed, 8 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/interrupt-controller/arm,gic-v3.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/interrupt-controller/arm,gic-v3.yaml
> > index 39e64c7f6360..0a81ae4519a6 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/interrupt-controller/arm,gic-v3.yaml
> > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/interrupt-controller/arm,gic-v3.yaml
> > @@ -106,6 +106,10 @@ properties:
> >       $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> >       maximum: 4096
> > +  dma-noncoherent:
> > +    description: |
> > +      Present if the GIC redistributors are not cache coherent with the CPU.
> 
> I wonder if it's worth being a bit more specific here, e.g. "if the GIC
> {redistributors,ITS} permit programming cacheable inner-shareable memory
> attributes, but are connected to a non-coherent downstream interconnect."

In my opinion it is and I wanted to elaborate on what I wrote but then I
thought that this is a standard DT property, I wasn't sure whether we
really need to explain what it is there for.

We are using the property to plug a hole so I agree with you, we should
be as clear as possible in the property definition but I will rely on
Rob/Marc's opinion, I don't know what's the DT policy for this.

> That might help clarify why the negative property, which could seem a bit
> backwards at first glance, and that it's not so important in the cases where
> the GIC itself is fundamentally non-coherent anyway (which *is*
> software-discoverable).

Is it ? Again, see above, are we defining "dma-noncoherent" to fix a bug
or to fix the specs ? The shareability bits are writeable and even a
fundamentally non-coherent GIC design could allow writing them, AFAIU.

I would avoid putting ourselves into a corner where we can't use
this property because the binding itself is too strict on what it is
solving.
 
> Otherwise, this is the same approach that I like and have previously lobbied
> for, so obviously I approve :)
> 
> (plus I do think it's the right shape to be able to slot an equivalent field
> into ACPI MADT entries without *too* much bother)

We are in agreement, let's see what others think.

Thanks,
Lorenzo

> 
> Thanks,
> Robin.
> 
> > +
> >     msi-controller:
> >       description:
> >         Only present if the Message Based Interrupt functionality is
> > @@ -193,6 +197,10 @@ patternProperties:
> >         compatible:
> >           const: arm,gic-v3-its
> > +      dma-noncoherent:
> > +        description: |
> > +          Present if the GIC ITS is not cache coherent with the CPU.
> > +
> >         msi-controller: true
> >         "#msi-cells":
> 
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> linux-arm-kernel mailing list
> linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-05 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-05 10:47 [PATCH 0/2] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable non-coherent GIC designs probing Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 10:47 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 10:47 ` [PATCH 1/2] dt-bindings: interrupt-controller: arm,gic-v3: Add dma-noncoherent property Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 10:47   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 11:17   ` Robin Murphy
2023-09-05 11:17     ` Robin Murphy
2023-09-05 12:22     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi [this message]
2023-09-05 12:22       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 12:57       ` Robin Murphy
2023-09-05 12:57         ` Robin Murphy
2023-09-05 18:23   ` Rob Herring
2023-09-05 18:23     ` Rob Herring
2023-09-05 10:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable non-coherent redistributors/ITSes probing Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 10:47   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 11:34   ` Marc Zyngier
2023-09-05 11:34     ` Marc Zyngier
2023-09-05 12:14     ` Robin Murphy
2023-09-05 12:14       ` Robin Murphy
2023-09-05 12:30     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 12:30       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 12:41       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-09-05 12:41         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-09-05 14:24     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 14:24       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-05 14:34       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-09-05 14:34         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-09-06 11:01       ` Fang Xiang
2023-09-06 11:01         ` Fang Xiang
2023-09-06 11:10         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-03 14:43     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-03 14:43       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-03 16:18       ` Robin Murphy
2023-10-03 16:18         ` Robin Murphy
2023-10-03 16:44       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-03 16:44         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-04  7:13         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-04  7:13           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-05 13:59         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-05 13:59           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-06  9:41 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable non-coherent GIC designs probing Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-06  9:41   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-06  9:41   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] dt-bindings: interrupt-controller: arm,gic-v3: Add dma-noncoherent property Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-06  9:41     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-06 11:23     ` Rob Herring
2023-09-06 11:23       ` Rob Herring
2023-09-06 11:27     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-06 11:27       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-06  9:41   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable non-coherent redistributors/ITSes probing Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-06  9:41     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-06  9:52   ` [PATCH v2 0/2] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable non-coherent GIC designs probing Marc Zyngier
2023-09-06  9:52     ` Marc Zyngier
2023-09-06 11:23     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-06 11:23       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-21 10:11       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-21 10:11         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] " Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59   ` [PATCH v3 1/5] dt-bindings: interrupt-controller: arm,gic-v3: Add dma-noncoherent property Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-07 12:00     ` [irqchip: irq/irqchip-fixes] " irqchip-bot for Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59   ` [PATCH v3 2/5] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable non-coherent redistributors/ITSes DT probing Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-07 12:00     ` [irqchip: irq/irqchip-fixes] " irqchip-bot for Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59   ` [PATCH v3 3/5] irqchip/gic-v3-its: Split allocation from initialisation of its_node Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-07 12:00     ` [irqchip: irq/irqchip-fixes] " irqchip-bot for Marc Zyngier
2023-10-24  8:48     ` [PATCH v3 3/5] " Dominic Rath
2023-10-24  8:48       ` Dominic Rath
2023-10-24 10:18       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-24 10:18         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-24 13:13         ` Dominic Rath
2023-10-24 13:13           ` Dominic Rath
2023-10-25 19:51       ` [tip: irq/urgent] irqchip/gic-v3-its: Don't override quirk settings with default values tip-bot2 for Marc Zyngier
2023-10-06 12:59   ` [PATCH v3 4/5] ACPICA: Add new MADT GICC/GICR/ITS flags handling [code first] Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59   ` [PATCH v3 5/5] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable non-coherent redistributors/ITSes ACPI probing Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-06 12:59     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-17 14:19     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-17 14:19       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-17 16:44       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-17 16:44         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-18  8:42         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-18  8:42           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-19 11:12           ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-19 11:12             ` Marc Zyngier
2023-12-27 11:00 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable non-coherent GIC designs probing Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-12-27 11:00   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-12-27 11:00   ` [PATCH v4 1/3] ACPICA: MADT: Add GICC online capable bit handling Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-12-27 11:00     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2024-01-09 14:27     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-01-09 14:27       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-12-27 11:00   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] ACPICA: MADT: Add new MADT GICC/GICR/ITS non-coherent flags handling Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-12-27 11:00     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-12-27 11:00   ` [PATCH v4 3/3] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable non-coherent redistributors/ITSes ACPI probing Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-12-27 11:00     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2024-01-04 11:12     ` Marc Zyngier
2024-01-04 11:12       ` Marc Zyngier
2024-01-08  9:43       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2024-01-08  9:43         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2024-01-08  9:52         ` Marc Zyngier
2024-01-08  9:52           ` Marc Zyngier
2024-01-22 16:18     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2024-01-22 16:18       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2024-01-22 18:27       ` Marc Zyngier
2024-01-22 18:27         ` Marc Zyngier
2024-01-03 13:43   ` [PATCH v4 0/3] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable non-coherent GIC designs probing Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-01-03 13:43     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-01-04 11:34     ` Marc Zyngier
2024-01-04 11:34       ` Marc Zyngier
2024-01-04 12:04       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-01-04 12:04         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-01-04 13:21         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-01-04 13:21           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-01-04 13:47           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-01-04 13:47             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-01-08  9:45           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2024-01-08  9:45             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi

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