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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	 Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	 Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Kan Liang <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>,
	 Like Xu <likexu@tencent.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	 Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,  Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
	 Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Zhenyu Wang <zhenyuw@linux.intel.com>,
	Zhang Xiong <xiong.y.zhang@intel.com>,
	 Lv Zhiyuan <zhiyuan.lv@intel.com>,
	Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>,
	 Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@intel.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	 David Dunn <daviddunn@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [Patch v4 07/13] perf/x86: Add constraint for guest perf metrics event
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:05:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZR3hx9s1yJBR0WRJ@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZR3eNtP5IVAHeFNC@google.com>

On Wed, Oct 04, 2023, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> Thinking about this more, what if we do a blend of KVM's FPU swapping and debug
> register swapping?
> 
>   A. Load guest PMU state in vcpu_enter_guest() after IRQs are disabled
>   B. Put guest PMU state (and load host state) in vcpu_enter_guest() before IRQs
>      are enabled, *if and only if* the current CPU has one or perf events that
>      wants to use the hardware PMU
>   C. Put guest PMU state at vcpu_put()
>   D. Add a perf callback that is invoked from IRQ context when perf wants to
>      configure a new PMU-based events, *before* actually programming the MSRs,
>      and have KVM's callback put the guest PMU state
> 
> If there are host perf events that want to use the PMU, then KVM will swap fairly
> aggressively and the "downtime" of the host perf events will be limited to the
> small window around VM-Enter/VM-Exit.
> 
> If there are no such host events, KVM will swap on the first entry to the guest,
> and keep the guest PMU loaded until the vCPU is put.
> 
> The perf callback in (D) would allow perf to program system-wide events on all
> CPUs without clobbering guest PMU state.
> 
> I think that would make everyone happy.  As long as our hosts don't create perf
> events, then we get the "swap as little as possible" behavior without significantly
> impacting the host's ability to utilize perf.  If our host screws up and creates
> perf events on CPUs that are running vCPUs, then the degraded vCPU performance is
> on us.
> 
> Rough sketch below, minus the perf callback or any of actual swapping logic.

Another reason to go for an approach that doesn't completely kill off host PMU
usage: just because we don't plan on enable perf events in *production*, there
will undoubtedly be times where we want to enable perf events to debug issues
(outside of prod) in the host kernel/KVM that affect VMs with a passthrough PMU.

So I'll add a self-NAK to the idea of completely disabling the host PMU, I think
that would burn us quite badly at some point.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-04 22:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-27  3:31 [Patch v4 00/13] Enable fixed counter 3 and topdown perf metrics for vPMU Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 01/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Add Intel CPUID-hinted TopDown slots event Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 02/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Support PMU fixed counter 3 Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 03/13] perf/core: Add function perf_event_group_leader_check() Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 04/13] perf/core: Add function perf_event_move_group() Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 05/13] perf/core: Add *group_leader for perf_event_create_group_kernel_counters() Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 06/13] perf/x86: Fix typos and inconsistent indents in perf_event header Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 07/13] perf/x86: Add constraint for guest perf metrics event Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 11:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-27 17:27     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-28  9:24       ` Mi, Dapeng
2023-09-29 11:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-29 15:20         ` Ravi Bangoria
2023-10-02 12:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-03  6:36             ` Ravi Bangoria
2023-09-29 15:46         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-30  3:29           ` Jim Mattson
2023-10-01  0:31             ` Namhyung Kim
2023-10-02 11:57           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 13:30             ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-02 15:23               ` David Dunn
2023-10-02 19:02                 ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-10-02 15:56               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 19:50                 ` Liang, Kan
2023-10-02 20:52                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 20:40                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-03  0:56                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03  8:16                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-03 15:23                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 18:21                         ` Jim Mattson
2023-10-04 11:32                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-04 11:21                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-04 19:51                           ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-10-04 21:50                             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 22:05                               ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-10-08 10:04                                 ` Like Xu
2023-10-09 17:03                                   ` Manali Shukla
2023-10-11 14:15                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-17 10:24                                       ` Manali Shukla
2023-10-17 16:58                                         ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-10-18  0:01                                           ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-10-11 14:20                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-13 17:02                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 17:31                       ` Manali Shukla
2023-10-03 22:02                     ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-10-04 20:43                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 08/13] perf/core: Add new function perf_event_topdown_metrics() Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 09/13] perf/x86/intel: Handle KVM virtual metrics event in perf system Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 10/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Extend pmc_reprogram_counter() to create group events Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 11/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Support topdown perf metrics feature Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 12/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Handle PERF_METRICS overflow Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27  3:31 ` [Patch v4 13/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Expose Topdown in MSR_IA32_PERF_CAPABILITIES Dapeng Mi

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