From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
Kan Liang <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>,
Like Xu <likexu@tencent.com>, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Zhenyu Wang <zhenyuw@linux.intel.com>,
Zhang Xiong <xiong.y.zhang@intel.com>,
Lv Zhiyuan <zhiyuan.lv@intel.com>,
Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>,
Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@intel.com>,
Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
David Dunn <daviddunn@google.com>,
Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [Patch v4 07/13] perf/x86: Add constraint for guest perf metrics event
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 15:30:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZRrF38RGllA04R8o@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231002115718.GB13957@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 03:46:55PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>
> > > I will firmly reject anything that takes the PMU away from the host
> > > entirely through.
> >
> > Why? What is so wrong with supporting use cases where the platform owner *wants*
> > to give up host PMU and NMI watchdog functionality? If disabling host PMU usage
> > were complex, highly invasive, and/or difficult to maintain, then I can understand
> > the pushback.
>
> Because it sucks.
>
> You're forcing people to choose between no host PMU or a slow guest PMU.
> And that's simply not a sane choice for most people -- worse it's not a
> choice based in technical reality.
>
> It's a choice out of lazyness, disabling host PMU is not a requirement
> for pass-through.
Not just a choice of laziness, but it will clearly be forced upon users
by external entities:
"Pass ownership of the PMU to the guest and have no host PMU, or you
won't have sane guest PMU support at all. If you disagree, please open
a support ticket, which we'll ignore."
The host OS shouldn't offer facilities that severely limit its own capabilities,
when there's a better solution. We don't give the FPU to apps exclusively either,
it would be insanely stupid for a platform to do that.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-02 13:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-27 3:31 [Patch v4 00/13] Enable fixed counter 3 and topdown perf metrics for vPMU Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 01/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Add Intel CPUID-hinted TopDown slots event Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 02/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Support PMU fixed counter 3 Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 03/13] perf/core: Add function perf_event_group_leader_check() Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 04/13] perf/core: Add function perf_event_move_group() Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 05/13] perf/core: Add *group_leader for perf_event_create_group_kernel_counters() Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 06/13] perf/x86: Fix typos and inconsistent indents in perf_event header Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 07/13] perf/x86: Add constraint for guest perf metrics event Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 11:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-27 17:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-28 9:24 ` Mi, Dapeng
2023-09-29 11:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-29 15:20 ` Ravi Bangoria
2023-10-02 12:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-03 6:36 ` Ravi Bangoria
2023-09-29 15:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-30 3:29 ` Jim Mattson
2023-10-01 0:31 ` Namhyung Kim
2023-10-02 11:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 13:30 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2023-10-02 15:23 ` David Dunn
2023-10-02 19:02 ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-10-02 15:56 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 19:50 ` Liang, Kan
2023-10-02 20:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 20:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-03 0:56 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 8:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-03 15:23 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 18:21 ` Jim Mattson
2023-10-04 11:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-04 11:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-04 19:51 ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-10-04 21:50 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 22:05 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-08 10:04 ` Like Xu
2023-10-09 17:03 ` Manali Shukla
2023-10-11 14:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-17 10:24 ` Manali Shukla
2023-10-17 16:58 ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-10-18 0:01 ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-10-11 14:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-13 17:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 17:31 ` Manali Shukla
2023-10-03 22:02 ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-10-04 20:43 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 08/13] perf/core: Add new function perf_event_topdown_metrics() Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 09/13] perf/x86/intel: Handle KVM virtual metrics event in perf system Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 10/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Extend pmc_reprogram_counter() to create group events Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 11/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Support topdown perf metrics feature Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 12/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Handle PERF_METRICS overflow Dapeng Mi
2023-09-27 3:31 ` [Patch v4 13/13] KVM: x86/pmu: Expose Topdown in MSR_IA32_PERF_CAPABILITIES Dapeng Mi
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