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From: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
To: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: update element timeout support [was Re: [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit]
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 14:42:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZRq6oP2/hns1qoaq@calendula> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231001210816.GA15564@breakpoint.cc>

On Sun, Oct 01, 2023 at 11:08:16PM +0200, Florian Westphal wrote:
> Not convinced. In particular, I don't understand what this has to do
> with async vs. sync gc.  To me this depends how we want to handle
> elements that have expired or expire during transaction.
> 
> Example:
> 
> Element E1, times out in 1 hour
> Element E2, times out in 1 second
> Element E3, timed out (1 second ago, 3 minutes ago, doesn't matter).
> 
> Userspace batch to kernel:
> Update Element E1 to time out in 2 hours.
> Update Element E2 to time out in 1 hour.
> Update Element E3 to time out in 1 hour.
> 
> What is the expected outcome of this request?
> 
> Ignore E3 being reaped already and refresh the timeout (resurrection?)

No resurrection, the element might have counters, it already expired.

> Ignore E3 being reaped already and ignore the request?
> Fail the transaction as E3 timed out already ("does not exist")?

Add a new E3. If NLM_F_EXCL is specified, then fail with "does not exist"

> Now, what about E2?  If transaction is large, it could become
> like E3 *during the transaction* unless we introduce some freezing
> mechanism.  Whats the expected outcome?
> 
> Whats the expected outcome if there is some other, unrelated
> failure? I assume we have to roll back all the timeout updates, right?

We annotate the new timeout in transaction object, then refresh the
timeout update in the commit phase.

> If so, why not temporarily make the timeouts effective right away
> and then roll back?

You mean, from the preparation phase? Then we need to undo what has
been done, in case of --check / abort path is exercised, this might
just create a bogus element listing.

> What if userspace asks to *shrink* timeouts? Same scenario:
> 
> Update Element E1 to time out in 1 second
> Update Element E2 to time out in 1 second
> Update Element E3 to time out in 1 second
> 
> We could say 'not supported' of course, would avoid the
> rollback headache, because in this case long transaction
> gc would definitely start to pick some of those elements
> up for reaping...

No need for rollback if new timeout is store in the transaction
object, we just set the new timeout from _commit() step in the
NEWSETELEM case, which has to deal with updates. Other objects follow
a similar approach.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-02 12:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-29 16:44 [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-29 16:44 ` [PATCH nf 2/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: remove async GC Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-29 22:25 ` [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-09-30  8:10   ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-01 20:10     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-01 21:08       ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-02  8:20         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02  8:47           ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-02 10:24             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 12:42         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso [this message]
2023-10-02 13:58           ` update element timeout support [was Re: [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit] Florian Westphal
2023-10-02 14:21             ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-03  8:22               ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-03  9:04                 ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-03  9:42                   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-03 18:24                     ` Florian Westphal
2023-10-04  8:30                       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 21:10             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 21:14               ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 14:23 ` [PATCH nf 1/2] netfilter: nft_set_rbtree: move sync GC from insert path to set->ops->commit Florian Westphal
2023-10-02 21:37   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2023-10-02 21:42   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso

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