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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: Jonny Grant <jg@jguk.org>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	Matthew House <mattlloydhouse@gmail.com>,
	linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
	GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 14:15:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZU4s6Vm-jBjFCcJ2@debian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ebccf5c0-f125-4eb9-8820-e71e77f4f7ed@jguk.org>

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Hi Jonny,

On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 11:36:20AM +0000, Jonny Grant wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/11/2023 05:36, Paul Eggert wrote:
> > On 2023-11-09 15:48, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> >> I'd then just use strlen(3)+strcpy(3), avoiding
> >> strncpy(3).
> > 
> > But that is vulnerable to the same denial-of-service attack that strlcpy is vulnerable to. You'd need strnlen+strcpy instead.
> > 
> > The strncpy approach I suggested is simpler, and (though this doesn't matter much in practice) is typically significantly faster than strnlen+strcpy in the typical case where the destination is a small fixed-size buffer.
> > 
> > Although strncpy is not a good design, it's often simpler or faster or safer than later "improvements".
> 
> As you say, it is a known API. I recall looking for a standardized bounded string copy a few years ago that avoids pitfalls:
> 
> 1) cost of any initial strnlen() reading memory to determine input src size
> 2) accepts a src_max_size to actually try to copy from src
> 3) does not truncate by writing anything to the buffer if there isn't enough space in the dest_max_size to fit src_max_size
> 4) check for NULL pointers
> 5) probably other thing I've overlooked
> 
> Something like this API:
> int my_str_copy(char *dest, const char *src, size_t dest_max_size, size_t src_max_size, size_t * dest_written);
> These sizes are including any NUL terminating byte.
> 
> 0 on success, or an an error code like EINVAL, or ERANGE if would truncate

-  Linux kernel's strscpy() returns -E2BIG if it would truncate.  You
   may want to follow suit if you want such an errno(3) code.

   However, I think it's simpler to return the "standard" user-space
   error return value: -1

   If you'd need to distinguish error reasons, you could distinguish
   error codes, but for a string-copying function I think it's not so
   useful.

-  Why specify the src buffer size?  If you're copying strings, then you
   know it'll be null-terminated, so strnlen(3) will not overrun.  If
   you're not copying strings, then you'll need a different function
   that reads from a non-string.  The only standard such function is
   strncat(3), which reads from a fixed-width null-padded buffer, and
   writes to a string.  You may want to write a function similar to
   strncat(3) that doesn't catenate, if you want to just copy; I call
   that function zustr2stp(), and you can find an implementation in
   string_copying(7).

-  You can reuse the return value for the dest_written value with
   ssize_t.  Just return -1 on error and the string length on success.
   That's how most libc functions behave.

-  Regarding NULL checks, it depends on how you program.  I wouldn't add
   them, but if you want to avoid crashes at all costs, it may be
   necessary for you.  You could do a wrapper over strxcpy():


	inline ssize_t
	strxcpy0(char *restrict dst, const char *restrict src, size_t dsize)
	{
		if (dst == NULL || src == NULL)
			return -1;

		return strxcpy(dst, src, dsize);
	}

   I used 0 in the name to mark that this function checks for null
   pointers.

Cheers,
Alex

> 
> All comments welcome.
> 
> Kind regards, Jonny

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-10 17:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-04 11:27 strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated Jonny Grant
2023-11-04 19:33 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-04 21:18   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-05  1:36     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-05 21:16   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-05 23:31     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-07 11:52       ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-07 13:23         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-07 14:19           ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-07 16:17             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-07 17:00               ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-07 17:20                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08  6:18               ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-08  9:51                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08  9:59                   ` Thorsten Kukuk
2023-11-08 15:09                     ` Alejandro Colomar
     [not found]                     ` <6bcad2492ab843019aa63895beaea2ce@DB6PR04MB3255.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
2023-11-08 15:44                       ` Thorsten Kukuk
2023-11-08 17:26                         ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-11-08 14:06                   ` Zack Weinberg
2023-11-08 15:07                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 19:45                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-11-08 21:35                       ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-11-08 22:11                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 23:31                           ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-09  0:29                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 10:13                               ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 11:08                                 ` catenate vs concatenate (was: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:06                                   ` catenate vs concatenate Jonny Grant
2023-11-27 14:33                                   ` catenate vs concatenate (was: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated) Zack Weinberg
2023-11-27 15:08                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-27 15:13                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-27 16:59                                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-11-27 18:35                                         ` Zack Weinberg
2023-11-27 23:45                                           ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-11-09 11:13                                 ` strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:05                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 15:04                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 19:04                   ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-08 19:40                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 19:58                       ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-08 20:13                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 21:07                           ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-08 21:50                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 22:17                               ` [PATCH] stpncpy.3, string_copying.7: Clarify that st[rp]ncpy() do NOT produce a string Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 23:06                                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-08 23:28                                   ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-09  0:24                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:11                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 14:35                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:47                                       ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 15:02                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 17:30                                           ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-09 17:54                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2023-11-09 18:00                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 19:42                                             ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09  7:23                                 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-09 15:20                                 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] " Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 15:20                                 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] stpncpy.3, string.3, string_copying.7: Clarify that st[rp]ncpy() pad with null bytes Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10  5:47                                   ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-10 10:47                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08  2:12           ` strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated Matthew House
2023-11-08 19:33             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 19:40               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09  3:13               ` Matthew House
2023-11-09 10:26                 ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 10:31                 ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 11:38                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 12:43                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 12:51                     ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-11-09 14:01                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 18:11                     ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-09 23:48                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10  5:36                         ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-10 11:05                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 11:47                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 17:58                             ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-10 18:36                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 20:19                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 23:44                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 19:52                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 22:14                                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-11 21:13                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-11 22:20                                     ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-12  9:52                                     ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-12 10:59                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 20:49                                         ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-12 21:00                                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 21:45                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-13 23:46                                           ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-17 21:57                                         ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-18 10:12                                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-18 23:03                                             ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 11:36                           ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 13:15                             ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2023-11-18 23:40                               ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-20 11:56                                 ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-20 15:12                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-20 23:08                                     ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-20 23:42                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 11:23                     ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 12:23                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 12:35                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10  7:06                   ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-10 11:18                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-11  7:55                       ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-10 16:06                   ` Matthew House
2023-11-10 17:48                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-13 15:01                       ` Matthew House
2023-11-11 20:55                     ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-11 21:15                       ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-11 22:36                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-11 23:19                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-17 21:46                           ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-18  9:37                             ` PDF book of unreleased pages (was: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-19  0:22                               ` Deri
2023-11-19  1:19                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-19  9:29                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-19 16:21                                   ` Deri
2023-11-19 20:58                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-20  0:46                                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-11-20  9:43                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-18  9:44                             ` NULL safety " Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-18 23:21                               ` NULL safety Jonny Grant
2023-11-24 22:25                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-25  0:57                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 10:40               ` strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated Stefan Puiu
2023-11-10 11:06                 ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 11:20                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12  9:17 ` [PATCH 0/2] Expand BUGS section of string_copying(7) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12  9:18 ` [PATCH 1/2] string_copying.7: BUGS: *cat(3) functions aren't always bad Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12  9:18 ` [PATCH 2/2] string_copying.7: BUGS: Document strl{cpy,cat}(3)'s performance problems Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 11:26 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Improve string_copying(7) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 11:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] string_copying.7: BUGS: *cat(3) functions aren't always bad Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-17 21:43   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-18  0:25     ` Signing all patches and email to this list Matthew House
2023-11-18 23:24       ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-12 11:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] string_copying.7: BUGS: Document strl{cpy,cat}(3)'s performance problems Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] strtcpy.3, string_copying.7: Add strtcpy(3) Alejandro Colomar

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