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From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Serge Semin <fancer.lancer@gmail.com>
Cc: Jose Abreu <Jose.Abreu@synopsys.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>, Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	Tomer Maimon <tmaimon77@gmail.com>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Alexandre Torgue <alexandre.torgue@foss.st.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jose Abreu <joabreu@synopsys.com>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 06/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Avoid creating dummy XPCS MDIO device
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 13:31:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZW8mF5TuAEiW5FOU@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <rgp33mm4spbpm5tmgxurkhy4is3lz3z62rz64rni2pygteyrit@zwflw2ejdkn7>

On Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 02:31:41PM +0300, Serge Semin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 10:49:47AM +0000, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 01:35:27PM +0300, Serge Semin wrote:
> > > If the DW XPCS MDIO devices are either left unmasked for being auto-probed
> > > or explicitly registered in the MDIO subsystem by means of the
> > > mdiobus_register_board_info() method there is no point in creating the
> > > dummy MDIO device instance in order to get the DW XPCS handler since the
> > > MDIO core subsystem will create the device during the MDIO bus
> > > registration procedure.
> > 
> 
> > Please reword this overly long sentence.
> 
> Ok.
> 
> > 
> > If they're left unmasked, what prevents them being created as PHY
> > devices?
> 
> Not sure I fully get what you meant. If they are left unmasked the
> MDIO-device descriptor will be created by the MDIO subsystem anyway.
> What the point in creating another one?

The MDIO bus scan looks for devices on the MDIO bus by probing each
address. If it finds a response, it creates a PHY device (struct
phy_device), and stores a pointer to the mdiodev embedded in this
structure in the array.

This device then gets registered as a PHY device, and becomes available
for use by phylib and PHY drivers.

This is something that needs to be avoided, but I don't see anything in
your series that achieves that.

> > No, this makes no sense now. This function is called
> > xpcs_create_mdiodev() - note the "create_mdiodev" part. If it's getting
> > the mdiodev from what is already there then it isn't creating it, so
> > it's no longer doing what it says in its function name. If you want to
> > add this functionality, create a new function to do it.
> 
> AFAICS the method semantics is a bit different. It's responsibility is to
> create the DW XPCS descriptor. MDIO-device is utilized internally by
> the DW XPCS driver. The function callers don't access the created MDIO
> device directly (at least since some recent commit). So AFAIU "create"
> means creating the XPCS descriptor irrespective from the internal
> communication layer. So IMO the suffix is a bit misleading. I'll
> change it in one of the next commit anyway. Should I just merge that
> patch back in this one?

This function was created (by me) to also create the mdiodev. The
function for use with a pre-existing mdiodev was xpcs_create().
But what do I know, I was only the author of this function, and of
course you're correct.

I don't like this patch anyway. Moving the mdio_device_get() etc out
of xpcs_create() is wrong. Even if you get a mdiodev from some other
place, then having xpcs_create() take a reference on it is still the
correct thing to do. My conclusion is you don't understand refcounting.

-- 
RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
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From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Serge Semin <fancer.lancer@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	Alexandre Torgue <alexandre.torgue@foss.st.com>,
	Jose Abreu <joabreu@synopsys.com>,
	Jose Abreu <Jose.Abreu@synopsys.com>,
	Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>,
	Tomer Maimon <tmaimon77@gmail.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 06/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Avoid creating dummy XPCS MDIO device
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 13:31:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZW8mF5TuAEiW5FOU@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <rgp33mm4spbpm5tmgxurkhy4is3lz3z62rz64rni2pygteyrit@zwflw2ejdkn7>

On Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 02:31:41PM +0300, Serge Semin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 10:49:47AM +0000, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 01:35:27PM +0300, Serge Semin wrote:
> > > If the DW XPCS MDIO devices are either left unmasked for being auto-probed
> > > or explicitly registered in the MDIO subsystem by means of the
> > > mdiobus_register_board_info() method there is no point in creating the
> > > dummy MDIO device instance in order to get the DW XPCS handler since the
> > > MDIO core subsystem will create the device during the MDIO bus
> > > registration procedure.
> > 
> 
> > Please reword this overly long sentence.
> 
> Ok.
> 
> > 
> > If they're left unmasked, what prevents them being created as PHY
> > devices?
> 
> Not sure I fully get what you meant. If they are left unmasked the
> MDIO-device descriptor will be created by the MDIO subsystem anyway.
> What the point in creating another one?

The MDIO bus scan looks for devices on the MDIO bus by probing each
address. If it finds a response, it creates a PHY device (struct
phy_device), and stores a pointer to the mdiodev embedded in this
structure in the array.

This device then gets registered as a PHY device, and becomes available
for use by phylib and PHY drivers.

This is something that needs to be avoided, but I don't see anything in
your series that achieves that.

> > No, this makes no sense now. This function is called
> > xpcs_create_mdiodev() - note the "create_mdiodev" part. If it's getting
> > the mdiodev from what is already there then it isn't creating it, so
> > it's no longer doing what it says in its function name. If you want to
> > add this functionality, create a new function to do it.
> 
> AFAICS the method semantics is a bit different. It's responsibility is to
> create the DW XPCS descriptor. MDIO-device is utilized internally by
> the DW XPCS driver. The function callers don't access the created MDIO
> device directly (at least since some recent commit). So AFAIU "create"
> means creating the XPCS descriptor irrespective from the internal
> communication layer. So IMO the suffix is a bit misleading. I'll
> change it in one of the next commit anyway. Should I just merge that
> patch back in this one?

This function was created (by me) to also create the mdiodev. The
function for use with a pre-existing mdiodev was xpcs_create().
But what do I know, I was only the author of this function, and of
course you're correct.

I don't like this patch anyway. Moving the mdio_device_get() etc out
of xpcs_create() is wrong. Even if you get a mdiodev from some other
place, then having xpcs_create() take a reference on it is still the
correct thing to do. My conclusion is you don't understand refcounting.

-- 
RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
FTTP is here! 80Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last!

  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-05 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-05 10:35 [PATCH net-next 00/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Add memory-based management iface support Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 01/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Drop sentinel entry from 2500basex ifaces list Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:24   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-05 11:24     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-05 11:39     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:39       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 02/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Drop redundant workqueue.h include directive Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 13:34   ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-05 13:34     ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 03/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Return EINVAL in the internal methods Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 13:34   ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-05 13:34     ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 04/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Explicitly return error on caps validation Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 05/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Move native device ID macro to linux/pcs/pcs-xpcs.h Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:45   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 10:45     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 11:14     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:14       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:22       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 11:22         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 11:48         ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:48           ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:27   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-05 11:27     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-05 11:49     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:49       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 06/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Avoid creating dummy XPCS MDIO device Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:49   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 10:49     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 11:31     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:31       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 13:31       ` Russell King (Oracle) [this message]
2023-12-05 13:31         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 13:52       ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-05 13:52         ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-05 14:50         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 14:50           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-12 13:52           ` Serge Semin
2023-12-12 13:52             ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:52   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-05 11:52     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-13 15:27     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-13 15:27       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-19 15:48       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-19 15:48         ` Serge Semin
2023-12-19 16:28         ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-19 16:28           ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-19 21:48           ` Serge Semin
2023-12-19 21:48             ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 13:46   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 13:46     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 14:54     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-05 14:54       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-12 15:26       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-12 15:26         ` Serge Semin
2023-12-12 19:06         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-12 19:06           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-13 15:47           ` Serge Semin
2023-12-13 15:47             ` Serge Semin
2023-12-13  0:01     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-13  0:01       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-13 16:32       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-13 16:32         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-14 14:19         ` Serge Semin
2023-12-14 14:19           ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 07/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Split up xpcs_create() content to sub-functions Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 08/16] dt-bindings: net: Add Synopsys DW xPCS bindings Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-14 17:40   ` Rob Herring
2023-12-14 17:40     ` Rob Herring
2023-12-14 21:27     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-14 21:27       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 09/16] net: mdio: Add Synopsys DW XPCS management interface support Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 12:32   ` Maxime Chevallier
2023-12-05 12:32     ` Maxime Chevallier
2023-12-06 16:48     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-06 16:48       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-06 17:01       ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-06 17:01         ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-07 13:35         ` Serge Semin
2023-12-07 13:35           ` Serge Semin
2023-12-07 14:02           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-07 14:02             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-12-07 14:54           ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-07 14:54             ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-08 16:07             ` Serge Semin
2023-12-08 16:07               ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 10/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Add generic DW XPCS MDIO-device support Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:13   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-05 11:13     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-05 11:35     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 11:35       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 12:23       ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-05 12:23         ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-08 14:11         ` Serge Semin
2023-12-08 14:11           ` Serge Semin
2023-12-08 16:33           ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-08 16:33             ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-14 11:54             ` Serge Semin
2023-12-14 11:54               ` Serge Semin
2023-12-14 12:00               ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-14 12:00                 ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-14 12:28                 ` Serge Semin
2023-12-14 12:28                   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 11/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Change xpcs_create_mdiodev() suffix to "byaddr" Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 23:03   ` kernel test robot
2023-12-05 23:03     ` kernel test robot
2023-12-05 23:03     ` kernel test robot
2023-12-07 14:37     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-07 14:37       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-07 14:37       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-06  0:29   ` kernel test robot
2023-12-06  0:29     ` kernel test robot
2023-12-06  0:29     ` kernel test robot
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 12/16] net: pcs: xpcs: Add xpcs_create_bynode() method Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 13/16] net: stmmac: intel: Register generic MDIO device Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-06  0:19   ` kernel test robot
2023-12-06  0:19     ` kernel test robot
2023-12-06  0:19     ` kernel test robot
2023-12-07 14:47     ` Serge Semin
2023-12-07 14:47       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-07 14:47       ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 14/16] net: stmmac: Pass netdev to XPCS setup function Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 15/16] net: stmmac: Add dedicated XPCS cleanup method Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35 ` [PATCH net-next 16/16] net: stmmac: Add externally detected DW XPCS support Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin
2023-12-05 10:35   ` Serge Semin

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