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From: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	paulmck@kernel.org, "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
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	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
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	kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/14] replace call_rcu by kfree_rcu for simple kmem_cache_free callback
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 11:31:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZnFT1Czb8oRb0SE7@pc636> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <36c60acd-543e-48c5-8bd2-6ed509972d28@suse.cz>

> On 6/17/24 8:42 PM, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> >> +
> >> +	s = container_of(work, struct kmem_cache, async_destroy_work);
> >> +
> >> +	// XXX use the real kmem_cache_free_barrier() or similar thing here
> > It implies that we need to introduce kfree_rcu_barrier(), a new API, which i
> > wanted to avoid initially.
> 
> I wanted to avoid new API or flags for kfree_rcu() users and this would
> be achieved. The barrier is used internally so I don't consider that an
> API to avoid. How difficult is the implementation is another question,
> depending on how the current batching works. Once (if) we have sheaves
> proven to work and move kfree_rcu() fully into SLUB, the barrier might
> also look different and hopefully easier. So maybe it's not worth to
> invest too much into that barrier and just go for the potentially
> longer, but easier to implement?
> 
Right. I agree here. If the cache is not empty, OK, we just defer the
work, even we can use a big 21 seconds delay, after that we just "warn"
if it is still not empty and leave it as it is, i.e. emit a warning and
we are done.

Destroying the cache is not something that must happen right away. 

> > Since you do it asynchronous can we just repeat
> > and wait until it a cache is furry freed?
> 
> The problem is we want to detect the cases when it's not fully freed
> because there was an actual read. So at some point we'd need to stop the
> repeats because we know there can no longer be any kfree_rcu()'s in
> flight since the kmem_cache_destroy() was called.
> 
Agree. As noted above, we can go with 21 seconds(as an example) interval
and just perform destroy(without repeating).

--
Uladzislau Rezki

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From: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Olga Kornievskaia <kolga@netapp.com>,
	kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>,
	Dai Ngo <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>,
	Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	coreteam@netfilter.org,
	"Naveen N. Rao" <naveen.n.rao@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, paulmck@kernel.org,
	bridge@lists.linux.dev, ecryptfs@vger.kernel.org,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	linux-can@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Julia Lawall <Julia.Lawall@inria.fr>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/14] replace call_rcu by kfree_rcu for simple kmem_cache_free callback
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 11:31:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZnFT1Czb8oRb0SE7@pc636> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <36c60acd-543e-48c5-8bd2-6ed509972d28@suse.cz>

> On 6/17/24 8:42 PM, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> >> +
> >> +	s = container_of(work, struct kmem_cache, async_destroy_work);
> >> +
> >> +	// XXX use the real kmem_cache_free_barrier() or similar thing here
> > It implies that we need to introduce kfree_rcu_barrier(), a new API, which i
> > wanted to avoid initially.
> 
> I wanted to avoid new API or flags for kfree_rcu() users and this would
> be achieved. The barrier is used internally so I don't consider that an
> API to avoid. How difficult is the implementation is another question,
> depending on how the current batching works. Once (if) we have sheaves
> proven to work and move kfree_rcu() fully into SLUB, the barrier might
> also look different and hopefully easier. So maybe it's not worth to
> invest too much into that barrier and just go for the potentially
> longer, but easier to implement?
> 
Right. I agree here. If the cache is not empty, OK, we just defer the
work, even we can use a big 21 seconds delay, after that we just "warn"
if it is still not empty and leave it as it is, i.e. emit a warning and
we are done.

Destroying the cache is not something that must happen right away. 

> > Since you do it asynchronous can we just repeat
> > and wait until it a cache is furry freed?
> 
> The problem is we want to detect the cases when it's not fully freed
> because there was an actual read. So at some point we'd need to stop the
> repeats because we know there can no longer be any kfree_rcu()'s in
> flight since the kmem_cache_destroy() was called.
> 
Agree. As noted above, we can go with 21 seconds(as an example) interval
and just perform destroy(without repeating).

--
Uladzislau Rezki

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-18  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-09  8:27 [PATCH 00/14] replace call_rcu by kfree_rcu for simple kmem_cache_free callback Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27 ` Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 01/14] wireguard: allowedips: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-09 14:32   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-09 14:36     ` Julia Lawall
2024-06-10 20:38     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-10 20:59       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 02/14] net: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 03/14] KVM: PPC: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27   ` Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 04/14] xfrm6_tunnel: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 05/14] tracefs: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-10 15:22   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-10 15:46     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-10 20:36       ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-10 21:40         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-11  6:23           ` Greg KH
2024-06-11  8:42             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-11  9:05               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2024-06-11 14:14               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-12 14:09                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-12 16:04                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-11 14:12             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-10 20:42       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-10 21:18         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 06/14] eCryptfs: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 07/14] net: bridge: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  9:04   ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 08/14] nfsd: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-09 10:53   ` Jeff Layton
2024-06-09 15:43   ` Chuck Lever
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 09/14] block: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 10/14] can: gw: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-10 12:46   ` Oliver Hartkopp
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 11/14] posix-timers: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 12/14] workqueue: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-10 20:31   ` Tejun Heo
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 13/14] kcm: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 14/14] netfilter: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-12 21:33 ` [PATCH 00/14] " Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-12 21:33   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-12 22:37   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-12 22:37     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-12 22:46     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-12 22:46       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-12 22:52     ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-12 22:52       ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-12 23:04       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-12 23:04         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-12 23:31     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-12 23:31       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13  0:31       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13  0:31         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13  3:38         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13  3:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 12:22           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13 12:22             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13 12:46             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 12:46               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 14:11               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13 14:11                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13 15:12                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 15:12                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-17 15:10             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 15:10               ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 16:12               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-17 16:12                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-17 17:23                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 17:23                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 18:42                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 18:42                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 21:08                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 21:08                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-18  9:31                       ` Uladzislau Rezki [this message]
2024-06-18  9:31                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-18 16:48                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-18 16:48                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-18 17:21                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-18 17:21                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-18 17:53                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-18 17:53                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-19  9:28                               ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-19  9:28                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-19 16:46                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-19 16:46                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-21  9:32                                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-21  9:32                                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-07-15 20:39                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-07-15 20:39                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-07-24 13:53                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-24 13:53                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-24 14:40                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-07-24 14:40                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-08 16:41                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-08 20:02                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-09 17:08                                           ` Julia Lawall
2024-10-09 21:02                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-19  9:51                           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-19  9:51                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-19  9:56                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-19  9:56                               ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-19 11:22                               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-19 11:22                                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 18:54                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-17 18:54                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-17 21:34                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 21:34                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-13 14:17           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-13 14:17             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-13 14:53             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 14:53               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 11:58     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13 11:58       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13 12:47       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 12:47         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 13:06         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-13 13:06           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-13 15:06           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 15:06             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 17:38             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-13 17:38               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-13 17:45               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 17:45                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 17:58                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-13 17:58                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-13 18:13                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 18:13                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-14 12:35                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-14 12:35                       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-14 14:17                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-14 14:17                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-14 14:50                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-14 14:50                           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-14 19:33                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-14 19:33                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 13:50                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 13:50                           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 14:56                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 14:56                             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 16:30                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 16:30                               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 16:33                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 16:33                                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 16:38                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 16:38                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 17:04                                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 17:04                                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 21:19                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 21:19                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 16:42                                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 16:42                                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 16:57                                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 16:57                                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 17:19                                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 17:19                                       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 14:37                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 14:37                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-08 16:36 ` Vlastimil Babka

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