From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] sched_ext: Initial pull request for v6.11
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2024 09:17:28 -1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZrJ2yKrKuWOscRpf@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240806082716.GP37996@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Hello,
On Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 10:27:16AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
...
> > When !CONFIG_PREEMPTION, double_lock_balance() seems cheaper than unlocking
> > and locking unconditionally. Because SCX schedulers can do a lot more hot
> > migrations, I thought it'd be better to go that way. I haven't actually
> > measured anything tho, so I could be wrong.
>
> So I think the theory is something like this.
>
> If you take a spinlock, you wait-time W is N times the hold-time H,
> where the hold-time is avg/max (depending on your analysis goals) time
> you hold the lock for, and N is the contention level or number of
> waiters etc.
>
> Now, when you go nest locks, your hold-time increases with the wait-time
> of the nested lock. In this case, since it's the 'same' lock, your
> hold-time gets a recursive wait-time term, that is: H'=H+N*H.
>
> This blows up your wait-time, which makes contention worse. Because what
> was W=N*H then becomes W=N*(N*H).
Thanks for the explanation. Much appreaciated.
> Anyway, at the time we saw great benefits from moving away from the
> double-lock thing, it might be worth looking into when/if you see
> significant lock contention; because obviously if the locks are not
> contended it all doesn't matter.
I think we *may* have seen this in action on a NUMA machine running a
scheduler which doesn't have topology awareness and thus was migrating tasks
across the boundary frequently. I'll see if I can reproduce it and whether
getting rid of the double locking improves the situation.
Thanks.
--
tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-08-06 19:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-15 22:32 [GIT PULL] sched_ext: Initial pull request for v6.11 Tejun Heo
2024-07-23 16:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-23 19:34 ` Tejun Heo
2024-07-24 8:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-24 17:38 ` David Vernet
2024-07-31 1:36 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-02 11:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-02 16:09 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-02 17:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-06 21:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-06 21:34 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-06 21:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-06 22:09 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-10 20:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-13 19:14 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-13 22:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-21 23:08 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-06 19:56 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-06 20:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-06 20:20 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-02 12:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-02 18:47 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-06 8:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-06 19:17 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2024-07-25 1:19 ` Qais Yousef
2024-07-30 9:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-31 1:11 ` Tejun Heo
2024-07-31 1:22 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-01 13:17 ` Qais Yousef
2024-08-01 16:36 ` Tejun Heo
2024-08-05 1:44 ` Qais Yousef
2024-08-01 2:50 ` Russell Haley
2024-08-01 15:52 ` Qais Yousef
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