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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, lkmm@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	maged.michael@gmail.com,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] hazptr: Add initial implementation of hazard pointers
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 03:02:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZvPfmAp_2mDkI3ss@boqun-archlinux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55975a55-302f-4c45-bfcc-192a8a1242e9@huaweicloud.com>

Hi Jonas,

On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 09:41:15AM +0200, Jonas Oberhauser wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 9/17/2024 um 4:33 PM schrieb Boqun Feng:
> > +static inline void *__hazptr_tryprotect(hazptr_t *hzp,
> > +					void *const *p,
> > +					unsigned long head_offset)
> > +{
> > +	void *ptr;
> > +	struct callback_head *head;
> > +
> > +	ptr = READ_ONCE(*p);
> > +
> > +	if (ptr == NULL)
> > +		return NULL;
> > +
> > +	head = (struct callback_head *)(ptr + head_offset);
> > +
> > +	WRITE_ONCE(*hzp, head);
> > +	smp_mb();
> > +
> > +	ptr = READ_ONCE(*p); // read again
> > +
> > +	if (ptr + head_offset != head) { // pointer changed
> > +		WRITE_ONCE(*hzp, NULL);  // reset hazard pointer
> > +		return NULL;
> > +	} else
> > +		return ptr;
> > +}
> 
> There is a subtle potential for ABA issues here.
> 
> If the compiler replaces 'return ptr;' with 'return head - head_offset;',
> then you do not have an address dependency from the second read.
> 
> In this case, in ABA, the first read can read from a stale store, then the
> second read reads the same value from a newer store but only establishes
> control-dependency based synchronization with that store; any reads from
> *ptr could be speculatively executed before doing the second ptr =
> READ_ONCE(*p).
> 
> Therefore you could read the object state before it is properly
> reinitialized by the second store.
> 

Thanks for taking a look, and nice find!

> I'm not sure what the most efficient fix is or if you just want to gamble
> that "the compiler will never do that".
> I guess either READ_ONCE(ptr) or a compiler barrier before return ptr might
> do it?
> 

I think the root cause of this is that compiler can replace 'ptr' with
'head - head_offset' based on pointer value comparison. A fix would be
converting pointer to unsigned long and doing the comparison:

	if ((unsigned long)ptr + head_offset != (unsigned long)head) {
		WRITE_ONCE(*hzp, NULL);
		return NULL;
	} else
		return ptr;

because of the conversion, compilers lose the information of pointer
equality, therefore cannot replace 'ptr' with 'head - head_offset'. Of
course, if we are really worried about compilers being too "smart", we
can always do the comparison in asm code, then compilers don't know
anything of the equality between 'ptr' and 'head - head_offset'.

Regards,
boqun

> Have fun,
>    jonas
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-25 10:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-17 14:33 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add hazard pointers to kernel Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] hazptr: Add initial implementation of hazard pointers Boqun Feng
2024-09-18  8:27   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-18 15:17   ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19  6:56     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-19 18:07       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-19  0:12   ` Jann Horn
2024-09-19 20:30     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-20  7:43       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-19  6:39   ` Lai Jiangshan
2024-09-19  7:10     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-19 12:33       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 13:57       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 18:58         ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-19 19:53           ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 16:10       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 14:00   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-20  7:41   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-25 10:02     ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2024-09-25 10:11       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-25 10:45         ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-25 11:59           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-25 12:16             ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-25 12:47               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-25 13:10                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-25 13:20                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-26  6:16                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-26 15:53                       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-26 16:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-26 16:40                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-26 16:54                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27  0:01                               ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27  1:30                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27  1:37                                   ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27  4:28                                     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27 10:59                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 14:43                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 15:22                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 16:06                                       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-27 16:44                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 17:15                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 17:23                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 17:51                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 18:13                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 19:12                                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-27 19:28                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 20:24                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 20:02                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27  1:20                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27  4:38                             ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27 19:23                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-27 20:10                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 22:18                                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-28 22:10                                     ` Alan Huang
2024-09-28 23:12                                       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-25 12:19             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-17 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] refscale: Add benchmarks for hazptr Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] refscale: Add benchmarks for percpu_ref Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] WIP: hazptr: Add hazptr test sample Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 19:51   ` kernel test robot
2024-09-18  7:18 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add hazard pointers to kernel Linus Torvalds
2024-09-18 22:44   ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-19  6:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-20  5:00       ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-19 14:30     ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-09-19 14:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-19 14:21     ` Linus Torvalds

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