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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, lkmm@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	maged.michael@gmail.com,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] hazptr: Add initial implementation of hazard pointers
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:27:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fb85f280-a5b1-487e-a8fa-5e97441991fb@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240917143402.930114-2-boqun.feng@gmail.com>

On 2024-09-17 16:33, Boqun Feng wrote:
[...]
> 
> The synchronization between readers and updaters is built around "hazard
> pointer slots": a slot readers can use to store a pointer value.
> 
> Reader side protection:
> 
> 1.	Read the value of a pointer to the target data element.
> 2.	Store it to a hazard pointer slot.
> 3.	Enforce full ordering (e.g. smp_mb()).
> 4.	Re-read the original pointer, reset the slot and retry if the
> 	value changed.
> 5.	Otherwise, the continued existence of the target data element
> 	is guaranteed.
> 
> Updater side check:
> 
> 1.	Unpublish the target data element (e.g. setting the pointer
> 	value to NULL).
> 2.	Enforce full ordering.
> 3.	Read the value from a hazard pointer slot.
> 4.	If the value doesn't match the target data element, then this
> 	slot doesn't represent a reference to it.
> 5.	Otherwise, updater needs to re-check (step 3).

Cool! I look forward to see where this is meant to be used. I would
expect it to be a useful tool to speed up reference counting of
things like the mm_struct and for TLB flush IPIs.

On a related note, with a userspace port in mind, the membarrier(2)
syscall can be useful to turn the smp_mb() in (3) from the reader
side into a simple compiler barrier, assuming (2) from the updater
is using membarrier. If IPIs are acceptable (or already required) for
some kernel use-cases, this means a similar asymmetric fence scheme
could be used to speed up readers.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-18  8:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-17 14:33 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add hazard pointers to kernel Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] hazptr: Add initial implementation of hazard pointers Boqun Feng
2024-09-18  8:27   ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2024-09-18 15:17   ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19  6:56     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-19 18:07       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-19  0:12   ` Jann Horn
2024-09-19 20:30     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-20  7:43       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-19  6:39   ` Lai Jiangshan
2024-09-19  7:10     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-19 12:33       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 13:57       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 18:58         ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-19 19:53           ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 16:10       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 14:00   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-20  7:41   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-25 10:02     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-25 10:11       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-25 10:45         ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-25 11:59           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-25 12:16             ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-25 12:47               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-25 13:10                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-25 13:20                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-26  6:16                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-26 15:53                       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-26 16:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-26 16:40                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-26 16:54                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27  0:01                               ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27  1:30                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27  1:37                                   ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27  4:28                                     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27 10:59                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 14:43                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 15:22                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 16:06                                       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-27 16:44                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 17:15                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 17:23                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 17:51                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 18:13                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 19:12                                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-27 19:28                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 20:24                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 20:02                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27  1:20                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27  4:38                             ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27 19:23                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-27 20:10                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 22:18                                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-28 22:10                                     ` Alan Huang
2024-09-28 23:12                                       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-25 12:19             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-17 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] refscale: Add benchmarks for hazptr Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] refscale: Add benchmarks for percpu_ref Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] WIP: hazptr: Add hazptr test sample Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 19:51   ` kernel test robot
2024-09-18  7:18 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add hazard pointers to kernel Linus Torvalds
2024-09-18 22:44   ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-19  6:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-20  5:00       ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-19 14:30     ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-09-19 14:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-19 14:21     ` Linus Torvalds

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