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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	"brauner@kernel.org" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"mic@digikod.net" <mic@digikod.net>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"anna@kernel.org" <anna@kernel.org>,
	"linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	"audit@vger.kernel.org" <audit@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 1/7] fs: Add inode_get_ino() and implement get_ino() for NFS
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 22:15:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZxHvAN85R9gP0bml@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241017164338.kzl7uotdyvhu5wv5@quack3>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 06:43:38PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Thu 17-10-24 08:25:19, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 11:15:49AM -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
> > > Also good to know, thanks.  However, at this point the lack of a clear
> > > answer is making me wonder a bit more about inode numbers in the view
> > > of VFS developers; do you folks care about inode numbers?
> > 
> > The VFS itself does not care much about inode numbers.  The Posix API
> > does, although btrfs ignores that and seems to get away with that
> > (mostly because applications put in btrfs-specific hacks).
> 
> Well, btrfs plays tricks with *device* numbers, right? Exactly so that
> st_ino + st_dev actually stay unique for each file. Whether it matters for
> audit I don't dare to say :). Bcachefs does not care and returns non-unique
> inode numbers.

But st_ino + st_dev is the only thing Posix and thus historically Linux
has guaranteed to applications.  So if st_dev is unique, but you need
an unknown scope in which it is unique it might as well not be for
that purpose.  And I think for any kind of audit report that is true
as well.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-18  5:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-10 15:26 [RFC PATCH v1 1/7] fs: Add inode_get_ino() and implement get_ino() for NFS Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-10 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/7] audit: Fix inode numbers Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11  1:20   ` [PATCH RFC " Paul Moore
2024-10-11  1:38     ` Paul Moore
2024-10-11 21:34   ` [RFC PATCH " Paul Moore
2024-10-14 13:30     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-14 23:36       ` Paul Moore
2024-10-10 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/7] selinux: Fix inode numbers in error messages Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11  1:20   ` [PATCH RFC " Paul Moore
2024-10-10 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 4/7] integrity: Fix inode numbers in audit records Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11  1:20   ` [PATCH RFC " Paul Moore
2024-10-11 10:15     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 11:34       ` Roberto Sassu
2024-10-11 12:38         ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 12:45           ` Roberto Sassu
2024-10-10 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 5/7] ipe: " Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-10 17:44   ` Fan Wu
2024-10-10 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 6/7] smack: Fix inode numbers in logs Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-10 17:18   ` Casey Schaufler
2024-10-10 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 7/7] tomoyo: " Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-12  7:35   ` [PATCH] tomoyo: use u64 for handling numeric values Tetsuo Handa
2024-10-14 13:59     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-10 18:07 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/7] fs: Add inode_get_ino() and implement get_ino() for NFS Anna Schumaker
2024-10-11 10:14   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-10 19:28 ` Trond Myklebust
2024-10-11 10:15   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 12:22     ` Trond Myklebust
2024-10-11 12:38       ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 12:43         ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 10:12 ` Tetsuo Handa
2024-10-11 10:54   ` Tetsuo Handa
2024-10-11 11:10     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 11:04   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 14:27     ` Tetsuo Handa
2024-10-11 15:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-11 15:26       ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 12:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-11 12:47   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 12:54     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-11 13:20       ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 13:23         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-11 13:52           ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 14:39             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-11 15:30               ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-11 15:34                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-14 14:35                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-14 14:36                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-13 10:17                 ` Jeff Layton
2024-10-14  8:40                   ` Burn Alting
2024-10-14  9:02                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-14 12:12                       ` Burn Alting
2024-10-14 12:17                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-14 13:13                           ` Mickaël Salaün
     [not found]                   ` <9c3bc3b7-2e79-4423-b8eb-f9f6249ee5bf@iinet.net.au>
2024-10-14 10:22                     ` Jeff Layton
2024-10-14 14:45                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-14 15:27                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-16  0:15                     ` Paul Moore
2024-10-14  8:40 ` kernel test robot
2024-10-14 10:02 ` kernel test robot
2024-10-14 14:47 ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-14 17:51   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-10-16 14:23 ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-16 23:05   ` Paul Moore
2024-10-17 14:30     ` Trond Myklebust
2024-10-17 14:54       ` Paul Moore
2024-10-17 14:58         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-17 15:15           ` Paul Moore
2024-10-17 15:25             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-17 16:43               ` Jan Kara
2024-10-18  5:15                 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-10-21 13:17                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-17 17:05             ` Jeff Layton
2024-10-17 17:09               ` Trond Myklebust
2024-10-17 17:59                 ` Jeff Layton
2024-10-17 21:06                   ` Trond Myklebust
2024-10-18  5:18                 ` hch
2024-10-17 20:21               ` Paul Moore
2024-10-18 12:25                 ` Jan Kara
2024-10-21 13:13                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-21 14:04               ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-17 14:56   ` Christoph Hellwig

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