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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Futexes IV (Fast Lightweight Userspace Semaphores)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:41:36 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a6gctg$eb6$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a6bjgl$a0j$1@cesium.transmeta.com> <E16jVSZ-0008FH-00@the-village.bc.nu>

In article <E16jVSZ-0008FH-00@the-village.bc.nu>,
Alan Cox  <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
>
>So if anything its just not worth the effort of breaking the 386 setup
>either 8). 386 SMP is a different issue but I don't see any lunatics doing
>a 386 based sequent port thankfully.

Since the only person that comes to mind that would be crazy enough to
even _try_ to use Linux on 386-SMP is you, Alan, I'm really relieved to
hear you say that ;)

And no, it's not worth discontinuing i386 support.  It just isn't
painful enough to maintain. 

Note that the i386 has _long_ been a "stepchild", though: because of the
lack of WP, the kernel simply doesn't do threaded MM correctly on a 386. 
Never has, and never will. 

However, the known "incorrect" case is so obscure that it's not even an
issue - although I suspect that it means that you should not let
untrusted users run on a i386 server machine that contains any sensitive
data.  I could cerrtainly come up with exploits that would work at least
in theory (whether they are workable in practice I don't know). 

Using i386's for network servers is fine, of course.  Just don't use
them for cpu farms (not that I think anybody is - it takes quite a big
farm of i386 machines to equal even _one_ PII ;)

		Linus



  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-10 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-05  7:01 [PATCH] Futexes IV (Fast Lightweight Userspace Semaphores) Rusty Russell
2002-03-05 21:23 ` Futexes III : performance numbers Hubertus Franke
2002-03-06  2:08   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-06 14:28     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-06 17:23       ` [Lse-tech] " george anzinger
2002-03-07  0:25     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-07  0:35     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-06  7:54   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-06 14:46     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-06 16:13     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-06 20:36       ` Futexes V : Hubertus Franke
2002-03-07  4:21         ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-05 22:39 ` [PATCH] Futexes IV (Fast Lightweight Userspace Semaphores) Davide Libenzi
2002-03-05 23:16   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-05 23:26     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-05 23:37       ` Peter Svensson
2002-03-05 23:50         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-08  0:07       ` Richard Henderson
2002-03-06  1:46   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-06  2:03     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-08 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 19:03   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 19:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 20:29       ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 20:48         ` Matthew Kirkwood
2002-03-08 21:02         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 23:15           ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 23:36             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-08 23:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 23:56               ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-09  2:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-11 14:14                   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-09  0:03               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-09  1:15                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 19:41                   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2002-03-11 20:49                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-13  7:40                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-13 16:37                       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 19:58                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-10 20:40                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 20:28                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-10 21:05                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-12  9:35                 ` Helge Hafting
2002-03-08 20:40       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-08 20:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 23:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-08 22:55         ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 23:38           ` Alan Cox
2002-03-08 23:44           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-08 20:47       ` george anzinger
2002-03-08 23:02         ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 23:47           ` george anzinger
2002-03-09  1:11             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-09  1:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-09  4:49       ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-11 22:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-11 23:12           ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-12  7:20           ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-12 14:56             ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-13  4:02               ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-12 17:17             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-13  2:57               ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-09  4:51   ` Rusty Russell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-13  9:12 Martin Wirth
2002-03-13 19:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-13 19:52   ` Dave McCracken
2002-03-13 22:17     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-13 20:06   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-15  7:31 ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-15  8:41   ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-15 15:29     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-15 16:23     ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-16  0:12       ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-16 11:23         ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-17  6:50           ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-18  0:52             ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-03-19  3:28               ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-19  4:05                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-03-20  6:20                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-20 10:42                     ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-20 17:20                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-03-19  8:34                 ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-20  6:45                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-21  6:48                     ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-24 18:25                       ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-25  2:28                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-25  4:46                           ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-25 11:56                             ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-26  1:02                               ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-26  8:17                                 ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-26 23:10                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-27 21:05                                     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-27 23:53                                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-25  9:47                           ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-16 19:48         ` Peter Wächtler

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