From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
qemu-block@nongnu.org, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/31] Skip automatic zero-init of large arrays / structs in I/O paths
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 16:56:29 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEhVrceTYtLlqe84@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d03fe23-86a1-4030-b5fc-8de8be461770@linaro.org>
On Tue, Jun 10, 2025 at 05:00:43PM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
> On 10/6/25 14:56, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2025 at 02:49:02PM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
> > > On 10/6/25 14:36, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > > > This series is an extension of Stefan's proposal:
> > > >
> > > > https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2025-06/msg00736.html
> > > >
> > > > It used '-Wframe-larger-than=4096' to identify all code locations
> > > > with more than 4k on the stack. Any locations in the I/O paths
> > > > were chosen to avoid automatic zero-init, to eliminate the performance
> > > > overhead of the automatic initialization.
> > >
> > > Should we eventually add it to our default CFLAGS?
> >
> > You mean as a way to impose a hard limit on stack frame size ?
>
> Yes, we could use -Wframe-larger-than=50000 for this release, then
> aim to reduce by 5/10k every release until some reasonable limit...
I guess the key thing is to define approximately what our target
should be ?
There are some large stack frames in QEMU device I/O paths that are
not unreasonable to have, because they avoid need to malloc in the
I/O path. A greater many devices have 4/8k buffers for copying
data around, and some bigger ones are fairly valid to have too.
On the flip side there's still way too much use of PATH_MAX that
is gratuitous and should be removed, but its hard to enforce the
latter without negatively impacting the former.
With regards,
Daniel
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-10 12:36 [PATCH 00/31] Skip automatic zero-init of large arrays / structs in I/O paths Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 01/31] include/qemu/compiler: add QEMU_UNINITIALIZED attribute macro Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 02/31] hw/virtio/virtio: avoid cost of -ftrivial-auto-var-init in hot path Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 03/31] block: skip automatic zero-init of large array in ioq_submit Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 04/31] chardev/char-fd: skip automatic zero-init of large array Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 05/31] chardev/char-pty: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 06/31] chardev/char-socket: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 07/31] hw/audio/ac97: skip automatic zero-init of large arrays Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 08/31] hw/audio/cs4231a: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 09/31] hw/audio/es1370: skip automatic zero-init of large array Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 10/31] hw/audio/gus: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 11/31] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 14:23 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 12/31] hw/audio/sb16: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 13/31] hw/audio/via-ac97: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 14/31] hw/char/sclpconsole-lm: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 15/31] hw/dma/xlnx_csu_dma: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 16/31] hw/display/vmware_vga: skip automatic zero-init of large struct Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 17/31] hw/hyperv/syndbg: skip automatic zero-init of large array Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 18/31] hw/misc/aspeed_hace: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 19/31] hw/net/rtl8139: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 20/31] hw/net/tulip: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:36 ` [PATCH 21/31] hw/net/virtio-net: skip automatic zero-init of large arrays Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:37 ` [PATCH 22/31] hw/net/xgamc: skip automatic zero-init of large array Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:37 ` [PATCH 23/31] hw/nvme/ctrl: skip automatic zero-init of large arrays Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-11 8:55 ` Klaus Jensen
2025-06-10 12:37 ` [PATCH 24/31] hw/ppc/pnv_occ: skip automatic zero-init of large struct Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-11 9:09 ` Harsh Prateek Bora
2025-06-10 12:37 ` [PATCH 25/31] hw/ppc/spapr_tpm_proxy: skip automatic zero-init of large arrays Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-11 9:20 ` Harsh Prateek Bora
2025-06-10 12:37 ` [PATCH 26/31] hw/usb/hcd-ohci: skip automatic zero-init of large array Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:37 ` [PATCH 27/31] hw/scsi/lsi53c895a: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:37 ` [PATCH 28/31] hw/scsi/megasas: skip automatic zero-init of large arrays Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:37 ` [PATCH 29/31] hw/ufs/lu: skip automatic zero-init of large array Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:37 ` [PATCH 30/31] net/socket: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:37 ` [PATCH 31/31] net/stream: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 12:49 ` [PATCH 00/31] Skip automatic zero-init of large arrays / structs in I/O paths Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-06-10 12:56 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-10 15:00 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-06-10 15:56 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2025-06-10 14:04 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2025-06-11 19:19 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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