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From: "Marek Marczykowski-Górecki" <marmarek@invisiblethingslab.com>
To: Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>
Cc: "Ross Lagerwall" <ross.lagerwall@cloud.com>,
	"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	"Anthony PERARD" <anthony.perard@vates.tech>,
	"Michal Orzel" <michal.orzel@amd.com>,
	"Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	"Julien Grall" <julien@xen.org>,
	"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>,
	security@xen.org, "Juergen Gross" <jgross@suse.com>,
	"Trammell Hudson" <hudson@trmm.net>,
	"Frediano Ziglio" <frediano.ziglio@cloud.com>,
	"Gerald Elder-Vass" <gerald.elder-vass@cloud.com>,
	"Kevin Lampis" <kevin.lampis@cloud.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: UEFI Secure Boot security policy
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 00:06:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFSJ0MS6k9QxyUVT@mail-itl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2506191254240.1780597@ubuntu-linux-20-04-desktop>

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On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 12:56:12PM -0700, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2025, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 03:16:51PM +0100, Ross Lagerwall wrote:
> > > I think a section on PCI passthrough is also warranted. i.e. preventing misuse
> > > of a device to exploit Secure Boot.
> > 
> > While I agree it makes sense, I wonder if it's in scope for UEFI
> > Secure Boot as defined by Microsoft? It may have implication for example
> > on PCI passthrough to a PV domains.
> 
> If we bring DomUs into the discussion, then I think we need to make a
> distinction between predefined DomUs, which could have signatures
> verified by Secure Boot (such as Dom0 and hyperlaunch/dom0less guests),
> and other dynamically created DomUs which could be fetched from the
> network and potentially started without signature verification or prior
> knowledge.

I think it's mostly not about what's running inside domU, but what such
domU has access to. The obvious part is enforcing IOMMU configuration so
that domU cannot use a PCI device as a proxy to modify hypervisor (or
dom0) code. But there may be more subtleties like access to specific
devices (HECI? SPI?).
Anyway, lets figure out first _if_ we need to do something about this
topic, and only then worry how.

-- 
Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-19 22:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-11 23:58 [PATCH] docs: UEFI Secure Boot security policy Andrew Cooper
2025-06-12  0:02 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-06-12  7:50 ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2025-06-12  9:43   ` Jan Beulich
2025-06-12 10:06 ` Jan Beulich
2025-06-12 12:21   ` Teddy Astie
2025-06-19 14:05     ` Ross Lagerwall
2025-06-12 15:22   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-06-12 20:29     ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2025-06-12 13:15 ` Tu Dinh
2025-06-12 13:22   ` Jan Beulich
2025-06-12 13:29     ` Tu Dinh
2025-06-12 21:32 ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-06-13  6:35   ` Jan Beulich
2025-06-13 13:12     ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2025-06-13 20:14       ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-06-19 14:16 ` Ross Lagerwall
2025-06-19 14:36   ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2025-06-19 19:56     ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-06-19 22:06       ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki [this message]
2025-06-20 17:00         ` Ross Lagerwall

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