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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>,
	Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Ujwal Kundur <ujwal.kundur@gmail.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: Introduce vm_uffd_ops API
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2025 16:40:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aOV6ttA17Pt2S8xO@x1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33wnllmydtdlv4vf3rzz7ei3vg7t7x2gqqha27ib3i47lfd6mz@n3nyevb4yf26>

On Tue, Oct 07, 2025 at 04:25:48PM -0400, Liam R. Howlett wrote:
> > Would it look better to you if I drop uffd_modes_supported, deducing it
> > from uffd_ioctls_supported?
> > 
> > I believe that's what David mentioned very initially here:
> > 
> > https://lore.kernel.org/r/f1da3505-f17f-4829-80c1-696b1d99057d@redhat.com
> > 
> > I'd rather go with the two fields, but if we're trying to introduce another
> > feature sets almost only for vm_uffd_ops, I'd prefer keeping it simple, and
> > deduce the modes from ioctls.
> > 
> > Is that ok for you?  So it'll have (1) get_folio(), (2) supported_ioctls.
> > That's all.
> 
> This is still middleware - a translation of flags passed in to figure
> out what function to call.  I don't think this is the best path forward
> as it means we have to complicate the layer for every user we add while
> we are already providing the most flexible return of a folio.
> 
> This will end up making things worse, IMO.
> 
> Think, for example, we add hugetlbfs_v2 - every place we have
> "if (is_hugetlbfs())" will now need an "else if(is_hugetlbfsv2())" to
> accommodate something that probably has the same uffd_ops as hugetlbfs
> v1.
> 
> Why would we do this instead of actually making your uffd_ops a complete
> API, or at least a subset of the API that supports guest-memfd?

It will be the complete API with (1) and (2) on minor fault.

When one proposes hugetlbfsv2, it should make sure it will work with the
API that only has (1)+(2).  Some uffd paths may need touch up (e.g. on
detecting VMA sizes), but it'll never be "if (is_hugetlbfsv2())".

That's IMHO one of the major purposes of having hugetlbfsv2 after all,
which is to start using the common MM apis, including the one we're going
to introduce here.

Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-07 20:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-26 21:16 [PATCH v3 0/4] mm/userfaultfd: modulize memory types Peter Xu
2025-09-26 21:16 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: Introduce vm_uffd_ops API Peter Xu
2025-09-30  9:36   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-30 10:07     ` Mike Rapoport
2025-09-30 10:18       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-30 18:39         ` Peter Xu
2025-09-30 18:48     ` Peter Xu
2025-09-30 19:19       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-30 20:35         ` Peter Xu
2025-10-01 13:58           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-01 14:35             ` Peter Xu
2025-10-01 14:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-03 14:02                 ` Peter Xu
2025-10-06 13:38                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-06 19:06                   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-06 21:02                     ` Peter Xu
2025-10-07  3:31                       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-07 13:51                         ` Peter Xu
2025-10-07 16:03                           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-07 16:14                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-07 16:47                               ` Peter Xu
2025-10-07 18:46                                 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-07 19:41                                   ` Peter Xu
2025-10-07 20:23                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-07 20:25                                     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-07 20:40                                       ` Peter Xu [this message]
2025-09-26 21:16 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm/shmem: Support " Peter Xu
2025-09-26 21:16 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] mm/hugetlb: " Peter Xu
2025-09-26 21:16 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] mm: Apply vm_uffd_ops API to core mm Peter Xu
2025-09-30  9:23   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-30 18:52     ` Peter Xu
2025-09-30 19:49 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] mm/userfaultfd: modulize memory types Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-30 20:45   ` Peter Xu

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